I wonder why everyone calls H/Hr hints in the movies a big deal. I mean, it's the books which are important. Unless JKR said there are clues in the movies?

Hmm which book?

HermionePotter69



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It would be interesting to revive this thread when Book 6 comes out.

Merging this with a newer post-OOTP poll and thread. This older thread's survey yielded the following results. Votes were taken from Apr 24 to May 7 2003, 1.5 months before OOTP's release.


What do you think is the most H/Hr-ish book?
Harry Potter & The Philosopher's Stone --- [ 0 ] [0.00%]
Harry Potter & The Chamber of Secrets --- [ 2 ] [2.67%]
Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban --- [ 43 ] [57.33%]
Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire --- [ 30 ] [40.00%]
Total Votes: 75

Newer Poll (for first 5 books) started by Amanda Rose)

Well, there are a lot of Harry/Hermione hints in book 3 and book 4. But I think that there are a little bit more Harry/Hermione hints in book 4.

cool. *someone* answered! yay!

seriously, thank you for answering. I voted for PoA because Ron is out of the way.
AAAnd there are slightly more subtle hints than GoF.



HermionePotter69

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I wonder why everyone calls H/Hr hints in the movies a big deal. I mean, it's the books which are important. Unless JKR said there are clues in the movies?

Because JKR works closely with Steve Kloves, the script writer for CoS.

GoF foreshadows Hermione's feeling heavily toward Harry IMO.

i think its gof but it s close one with poa

I chose POA, mainly coz H/Hr save Sirius on their own. And as HermPotter69 said, Ron is out of the way with the whole Crookshanks-Scabbers thing so their friendship could get stronger!

~*~Karen~*~

I chose POA as well. But, I have to admit...GOF was a close second

I have to agree with Kalie. he two book both show some hint (or what ever you want to call them) towards H/Hr. But, to me, PoA had more.


SweetSolitude1377

I think GoF is the most forshadowing h/hr book.
There are several reasons but i wont start talking about it because i wouldnt end today .


Mel.

Well, there is a lot in the latter half of PoA, but it's definitely GoF in my opinion. There is soooooo much there! And you can really see how close they've become, and how vital they are to one another

Book 3 is a definate for me- Hermione and Harry's ride on Buckbeak was one of the main reasons.
Don't forget: Harry sided with Hermione when she got his Firebolt confiscated for a while. He was also concerned with her work load too.

ahahaha no-one voted for PS/SS and CoS



HermionePotter69

GoF had a lot of simple hints for a future H/Hr.

hehe, of course no one has voted the first two books! Their too young!

Most obviously, it's PoA, especially becaose of their Buckbeak ride together. And of course, as it has been said, Ron is "out of the way". It's remarkable, though, How often Ron is "out of the way" in other important moments:H/H are in the Forbidden Forest together, they are together in the final riddle of the potions, it's Harry who obviosly keeps visiting Hermione when she is petrified, ... And otoh, if there is such a thing as a bestest friend of Harry's, it's most obviosly Hermione!!
Why not GoF? Because - GRRR -the hints at R/H are rather obvious here (though again, it's Harry who understands things while Ron doesn't).
Really must check myself, I could go on about this for ages...

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Why not GoF? Because - GRRR -the hints at R/H are rather obvious here (though again, it's Harry who understands things while Ron doesn't).

I wouldnt say there are any 'obvious' hints of R/H in GoF beyond a shallow one-sided crush on Rons part. Hermione's merely angry at Ron's shallowness, she is in no way jealous.

I voted for PoA because of the all the arm grabs, hippogriff ride, Hermione and Harry saving the day without Ron...

But GoF is definaltley a VERY close second in my opinion. I actually think my favorite H/Hr moment is from GoF rather than PoA... its very simple and doesnt even register on most peoples radars as a H/Hr moment, but its right after the 1st task and Hermione comes running up to Harry and he sees the fingernail marks on her face from where she was so worried. *how cute*

But, I go with the majority of opinion: PoA is a bit more H/Hr-ish than GoF.

-Sammie

I've got to say that PoA is the most shippy book to date, the whole saving Black, you total forget who Ron is. I slo love GoF but PoA wins my vote

I'm torn between GoF and PoA. In PoA it's the whole saving of Sirius is a big deal, but there's something in GoF that's really significant, IMO. Hermione trusting Harry when no one else would. It's pretty much saying that she'll always be there by his side when he needs her.

i voted for PoA, just b/c of the beautiful way that Harry and Hermione work together at the end of PoA to save Sirius and Buckbeak. (How can they NOT be meant for each other when they can do that?!) And b/c I love how Harry doesn't blame Hermione about the Firebolt thing and understands. :-)
But GoF is, I think, a very close second, b/c i think in GoF is where we start getting more and more indications of Hermione's feelings for Harry. (I don't care what those r/hr shippers say...), and there is Hermione's being the only person to believe in Harry and if that's not H/hr evidence, I don't know what is!

H/Hr all the way!! :-D

Although I was teetering on the edge of PoA and GoF, I decided to go for GoF. In GoF, you really get to see the relationship between Harry and Hermione grow. You get to see how Hermione sticks by him, how Hermione is one of the first people Harry seeks for help, Harry's beginnings in noticing her and the ever so famous Platform kiss. It's also my favourite book in the series (so far).

So even though PoA has the blossomings of Harry and Hermione compatibility, I think that GoF expands on that a lot more.

Booyah!!!

I voted a while back for GoF, but didn't get into details as to why.

I had to take my time and er... re read PoA... there were many moments that I think was pointing to H/Hr. I had some very interesting mental debates on why I voted for GoF and not PoA.

From the two books, I drew out my favorite H/Hr moments.

At PoA it was when Harry was asking Hermione to come join in the party after they've won the house cup. When he aked her if she had watched the game, I thought it was very sweet of him to go out of his way to let her know that it was, in some ways, important for him that she comes and watch him play quidditch. And that Hermione had answered "yes" in a tone that I thought clearly indicated that Harry should know better, that regardless of the fact that they were fighting, she'd still come and see him and support him in anything and everything that he does. Clearly, a very mutual two-way relationship...

For GoF... well there was just too many! The kiss is just way up there in the list. But most of all, I love quiet walks that they had during the time Ron was acting like a big prat. Their relationship wasn't just based on supporting Harry in his quidditch match and worrying about Hermione's work load. I think it went a step further when they seem to have both realized how they need each other minus Ron in the picture. And oh, this is going to get longer, so I'll just stop here.

For me PoA laid the ground works for the H/Hr relationship and GoF subtlyestablished H/Hr.

I hope I made sense with that long winded ramblings...

I voted for PoA. It's got some of my favourite H/H scenes, plus it's my favourite HP book

GoF would be my runner up.

I voted for PoA. Harry understands about the Firebolt, and tells Ron to give her a break about scabbers. And who can forget the Sirius-Buckbeak rescue?

ahh lol, 2 votes for CoS!! Sorry, I'm just posting so I can get my 50th post quickly!



HermionePotter69

QUOTE (HermPotter69 @ Apr 24 2003, 02:58 AM)

I wonder why everyone calls H/Hr hints in the movies a big deal. I mean, it's the books which are important. Unless JKR said there are clues in the movies? Hmm which book? HermionePotter69

I think people look to the movies for affirmation of what they see in the books. With the necessary story cuts due to the films time constraints they might feel that surely anything as important as a romance between the Hero and Leading Lady would be left in.

Another reason might be because in JKR's recently released interview she has admitted that she's told Steve Kloves certain things (more than she's ever given anyone else) because "he has to know." And states that "He's very good at guessing, he's guessed more shrewdly than anyone else I think."

Apparently they were right because in that same interview JKR says: Chris, in the 2nd film has kind of foreshadowed what I don't do until the 4th book which is that you get hints of certain feelings between the three of them that belong to a slightly more mature person. Basing my opinion strictly on the books I currently see: R------>Hr-------H. I think in OotP we might see a bit more of a returned feeling from Harry towards Hermione but I wouldn't look for any declaration of undying love just yet.

QUOTE (Nickademus @ Apr 24 2003, 03:14 AM)

QUOTE Because JKR works closely with Steve Kloves, the script writer for CoS.  GoF foreshadows Hermione's feeling heavily toward Harry IMO.

It seems that a significant portion of pro H/Hrs seem to believe that R/Hr will happen, however briefly in OotP. Why? We know from midway in book 4 (Yule Ball) that Hermione is aware of Ron’s crush on her although Ron thinks she‘s missed the point completely. (Harry didn’t say anything. He liked being back on speaking terms with Ron too much to speak his mind right now --- but he somehow thought that Hermione had gotten the point much better than Ron had). Hermione has realized Ron’s crush at this point but does nothing to encourage him. Bit odd that. One would think that a take-the-bull-by-the-horns girl like Hermione would follow up the “don’t ask as a last resort” comment.

In point of fact based the bit of the book prior to their reboarding the Express for the return trip to platform 9 3/4 we get the distinct impression that she continued to see Viktor for the remainder of the term. Hermione isn't the type of girl to play with a person's feelings so I doubt that it was to make Ron jealous. We know that Krum invited her to visit him in Bulgaria, but we don't know her reply. We do know that upon arrival in London she does something she'd never done before and kisses Harry. Why a kiss. If her intent was solely to comfort wouldn't a hug be better? Could the kiss be her way of testing the waters so to speak?

I chose PoA, for the obvious reasons. Most have already been mentioned, so I won't bore you GoF was a very close second, but PoA just spoke volumes about H/Hr, I thought. And come on, don't you just get shivers when you picture the two of them riding Buckbeak up to the roof? Ooh, I know I do!
~Batgirl

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FOR EVER

HARRY:LUV:HERMIONE

i THINK THAT SAYS WHAT i CHOOSE

I just thought that we needed another poll and I've also been pondering this question for a bit.

I think it's PoA (cause of all of those moments where Ron wasn't there...gave them more of a chance to "bond" )

While book 5 isn't my favorite, I must admit that Umbrige did everyone a favor. By taking Harry off the team and allowing Ron to stay on, our favorite little couple-to-be got quite a bit of alone time.

GoF would be my second choice probably...

athena

Oh, wow. It's hard to choose which one (and mind you, I have yet to vote). I think all the books but CoS have the same amount of H/Hr moments, but if we look at the angle of deducing which reflects the pivotal H/Hr moments that demonstrate the burgeoning relationship between the two, I'd say it's OotP. Anyhow, it's a tough call between PoA and OotP. And I can't make up my mind---- must examine the books and come back later to vote....

To me it seemed like an easy call... the most H/Hr had to be OotP... let me explain

While PoA was filled with H/HR symbolism and activity and GoF held a great deal of time spent together... OotP had a greater amount of both... as well as the book was longer... had MORE *squeeable* quotes that prophesied about the final outcome of Harry and Hermione as a couple...

Love is the key as to Harry being able to Defeat Voldemorte... and LOVE is the bond between Harry and Hermione...

"Harry needs her badly." --JKR on Hermione

what more needs to be said!

Ok, I'm going back to squeeing over the PoA premere pictures... *grin*

Most definitely OotP. It had so much H/Hr that it banished any doubt of our ship ever seeing the light of day in canon. It is the book that made me believe, 99%, that JKR is going to end canon pumpkinly.

Ironically, some anti-H/Hr shippers made some comments that OotP would be our deathbed. And like Hermione's assumption that Harry was made prefect, theirs is a comment that falls under the 'Open mouth, insert foot right in'. ^^

Hehe nice poll. Personally I think it’s Order of the Phoenix. In every book we got a quite good amount of H/Hr, but ootp was just different. It is in that book that you see how Harry and Hermione are close, and most important how Harry thinks of Hermione and how much she means to him- it’s not a coincidence that Harry grabbed Hermione’s robes among the others in DoM. This is my personal opinion but it is in ootp that you see sexual tension, the famous argument used by Hr/R shippers, between them- when they argue in “Out of the Fire”, see they kept steps closer to each other, while in the argument between Hr/R at the Yule Brawl, the keep distance from each other. Overall ootp is very very H/Hr, after ootp I’d say PoA is another fantastic book for our ship.

Cheers!

Mirtilla

To be honest, I think GOF had the most H/Hr. It really showed Hermione's devotion to Harry and Krum's jealousy was just as nice for our ship

What can I say? I, like 42 other people, voted for OotP because well, look at it. Harry spent more time with Hermione in that book. Plus, you get the wonderful moments like when Hermione gets Harry to come out of Buckbeak's room and she gives him the hug bear hug when she first sees him. Her advice about Cho always came after he did something incredibly stupid. It's in OotP that we get the biggest feeling that Hermione likes Harry. And during the DoM scenes, we see that Harry can be "paralyzed" with fear whenever Hermione gets hurt. All of those little scenes make OotP the canon H/Hr bible.

Jennifer

Not to mention in the DoM scene, it was Antonin Dolohov, Buckbeak's executioner in PoA, who struck Hermione with the curse. We know Buckbeak represents romantic love and Dolohov tried to execute Buckbeak until he was set free by Harry and Hermione. Then in OotP, it was Dolohov again who tries to come between Harry and Hermione and fails once again. The symbolism itself surrounding Harry, Hermione, and Dolohov is just mind-boggling and noteworthy. IMO, Dolohov tries to rob H/Hr of love and remarkably fails twice.

Ootp it is then...

OotP. Hands Down. What with all the Hugging and the Holding behind trees in certain moments that I adore and the Looking etc. and catching her when she falls (I love that bit! It's so Kawaii!), I think it's just great.


~#Epona#~

Oooooh, OotP, definitely! That's the book where H/Hr's closeness starts to look evident, don't you think? All begins to make sense.

God. How I loved OotP!

I think all the books in some respect show important aspects of H/Hr. H/Hr has been built up tenuously throughout all five books. Ultimately, though, the question asks: which book has the most H/Hr? OotP wins hands down. It's not so much as the overt grabbing or protecting or the light headed relief (although those are certainly very nice scenes), it's the little stuff such as when Harry, despite having been tried by a full court, still remembers fondly of Hermione's obsession with the house-elves. Or when Harry, despite being nervous and apprehensive about the O.W.Ls took a second to glance at Hermione, reminiscing about the troll-adventure which occurred five years ago when they first became friends . Or Harry's determination not to disappoint Hermione in his school-work, and vows to work harder. Or when Harry is angry and impatient, yet still recognizes Hermione's devotion to him especially her loyalty and solidarity. The combination of all these events are simply overwhelming. How could Harry not love Hermione when subconsciously, he is already in love with her?

I would have to say OotP. I mean, the first thing we get in the book is an overly enthusiastic and ridicouly long hug Harry recieves from Hermione.

Throughout much of the book Ron is primarily sidelined, and most intentionally as well. This gives our favorite pair plenty of quailty time together. I can't even begin to list all of the pivitol moments in the book. Such as Hermione coming from her ski trip with her parents and, with snow still in her hair, getting Harry out of that room in no time. Or the whole "But I don't think you're ugly," line, cho being jealous of Hermione, Hermione becoming a voice in his head, and much, much more.

And of course, this book contains my favorite Harry/Hermione moment of all time (Except for the "Great wizard" speil in book one) in the DoM when Hermione falls in battle. Need I say more? That was probably the moment of our ship, the one that set our course.

And most interstingly, this is after the Goodshippers hailing that book five would be the sinking of our ship. And it turns out to be our Cannonical Bible. ;D Go figure.

Just my two knuts!
~panda

, Where is that Interview where JKR says Harry needs Hermione badly? I'm longing to read it!

Back on topic:

That's what I thought happened, with the other sites chatroom and stuff. I mean, Jo would have some very good theories wouldn't she? They would have made sense, wouldn't they? I mean, who knows Harry Potter like she does? So why completely blow off her theories like that? Unless! Unless it was something they didn't want to hear. Maybe she suggested a really good theory about how the books will finish, and It needed H/hr in it, and they didn't like what they heard?

~#Epona#~

Book 5 definitely had the most H/H moments. All the books of course have significant moments with the two of them, but for me it most shined in this book. We all noticed how sidelined Ron was.. and how we saw more of Hermione.

Ahh.. I love Book 5 .

OotP for sure, they get closer as each book progresses

I, like the majority, picked OOTP. If I had any doubts that Hermione had a crush on Harry, they were dispelled when I read book 5; and I also got a feeling that Harry was growing fonder of the intelligent witch!

What really tugged my hearts strings was, of course, Hermione's fall at the MoM and her obvious coolness after Harry said he had kissed Cho. The way Hermione kept entering Harry's thoughts was a clear indication that he really needed her steadfastness-- he really need Hermione. Period.