I'd like to enlighten you, DementRess, but unfortunately, I am on of those shippers who see very little of these so-called R/Hr "evidence". Or as my friend likes to call me "overly H/Hr biased"

Anyway, it was the same for me, basically. When I was reading the books, and totally oblivious to the Harry Potter fandom and shipping, my thoughts on Harry and Hermione were, "So when are you going to start snogging already?!" I was really surprised to find out there were things called shipping and R/Hr fans Kidding, kidding! But I was surprised people actually shipped R/Hr after the way Ron treated Hermione. Ah well.


-dani [aka the_dog_star]

well spotted!

if ron truly cared about and loved hermione he wouldnt have asked her to take a turn with the stunning.

ron is always out for rons best interest, harry is always looking out for both him and hermione.

I know what you mean dani... What fueled R/Hr? I ask myself that everytime I get to "shipping" mood. And the answer always starts with Ron having a thing towards Hermione. Yeah, that's given but, is the feeling mutual? HA! Don't think so! At least I hope not. If JKR aimed for us to get lost on the romance department, I am following the crumbs she dropped along the way.. here's to hope will lead me to the bakery for I'm certainly buying H/Hr.

A certain person argued that Ron and Hermione should be a good couple basing to: opposites attract. Oblivious and know-it-all.. hmmn, maybe. There's also the fact that Ron seems to infuriate Hermione most of the time - compared to: the boy who pulls on your pigtails likes you. Not if it hurts! I certainly don't think I would love the boy who actually pulled my hair one too many time when I was in grade school. No sir! What I'm trying to say is, do you think that Hermione possibly likes the idea of having a boyfriend who seem to not care if she gets hurt and doesn't understand her (as a girl) at all?

On Harry's case being the clueless-blind-idiot that he is.. some says he doesn't like Hermione that way. Duh, mind the cluelessness and plus there's Cho. He is protective to Hermione. Obviously, he cares. He even said he doesn't think she's ugly either... Why then we still don't read him having those feelings for her (book 6, wherefor art thou?) Because, he's blind. The poor kid wears glasses but he is a blinded idiot, I tell yah. Wait till Hermione fix his glasses one more time.

Mod Note: Merged with a related thread, original title was The Little things..., we wouldn't really think of about H/Hr. ~Anazecria/Nielle 24/12/2004

I do apologise if this isn't worth posting, Mods, but I thought this thread would be fun as we discover more and more "little things" Please feel free to delete or move/merge into some place else.

Little thing number 1 (as I'm pretty certain there are several others): Hair.

Well, I was looking at the Gallery section of PK, and I saw one of Keurigi's fanarts, and I admired the messy hair Harry had in her fanart. Then, I went to admire Hermione's bushy hair. And then, it hit me: Who else, of Harry's peers, do we know that have such a nice description of hair? The Weasleys? We all know they have flaming red hair. But that's just it: flaming red hair for all of them. I don't even know how Ron's hair looks like. Is it wavy? Straight? Spiky? Flat?

I know Hermione's: a large quantity of bushy brown hair.
Harry's? It's: messy raven-black hair.

Ron's is flaming red.
Luna's is shoulder-length and dirty blonde. I don't know if it's wavy, or straight, or what.
Ginny's is as red as her brother's, but I don't know how long they are.

Correct me if I am wrong, but, has JKR really described anyone else's, apart from Hermione and Harry, hair quite so, I don't know, unique?


Little thing number 2: Hermione and Firsts/Lasts

Have you ever noticed that Hermione gives Harry a lot of Firsts and Lasts? Like, first to give him a hug that he could remember, first girl to boss him around, first girl to make a big impression (not necessarily a good impression, but an impression nonetheless! ), first person to compliment him (I think, I could be wrong, of course! I can't go through thousands of pages to check blush2: ), first person to put their (her and Harry's) friendship on the line for his sake, first person to stand up to CAPSLOCK!Harry, first and only person to get Harry out of Buckbeak's room, first other person to ride Buckbeak, last person (that wasn't Harry) to speak in PS/SS, CoS, and OotP, last person to betray Harry .... the list goes on.


Not that this means a H/Hr ending, but it was actually fun to think of these, and I wanted to share the fun with my fellow H/Hrs

There are so many things, both "big" and "little", that point to H/Hr (as is obvious to anyone who spends any time in the forums here ), but I guess my favorite "little thing" is this one scene from the last chapter of OOTP: (emphasis added)

Harry and Hermione shippy book (and movie) moments can be found in their entirety here at HarryLovesHermione.com and here at Crossing the Line Undrawn. Thank you Kate Jones and thank you Megan!

This page was inspired by the books and movies of course.

These are just a few moments from both Prisoner of Azkaban (PoA) and Order of the Phoenix (OoP) from the US Editions, PoA is paperback and OoP is hardback.

Of course, we all know the major important moments in these two books that wrap around the H/H ship, but there are smaller details we might sometimes overlook.

I carefully read and re-read both books and found interesting moments we might have missed. Sometimes, like the song, it's "all the small things" that count.

This forum can aslo be found here

My Harry/Hermione site

Visit The Rant Room where being nice is not a requirement.

Read my note for The Orange Room that is not yet open for HBP discussion. But read the note anyway so you'll know when to visit and bring your orange highlighters!

Oh, now enjoy!



PoA, pg. 331, Ch. 16



PoA, pg. 340-1, Ch. 17



PoA, pg. 345, Ch. 17



PoA, pg. 382, Ch. 20



PoA, pg. 383, Ch. 20



PoA, pg. 388, Ch. 21




PoA, pg. 388-9, Ch. 21

(Note: They have a bit of a habit of saying/doing the same thing at the same time or thinking the same thought. As you'll see later down the list, they have similar instincts.)




PoA, pg. 416, Ch. 22




PoA, pg. 417, Ch. 22




OoP, pg. 202, Ch. 11

(Note: Harry reassures her rather quickly that Hagrid is okay even though he seems unsure himself, just so she doesn't worry.)




OoP pg. 271, Ch. 13




OoP, pg. 311, Ch. 15




OoP, pg. 319, Ch. 15

(Note: Notice how Harry easily gets over his anger with Hermioe but will hold a fight with Ron for days at a time and not forgive him.)



(Harry:)
OoP, pg. 327, Ch. 15

(Note: --from Hermione. PS/SS: Hermione made sure Harry could get back and through again before fighting Quirell, CoS: "pipes" is all I need to say, PoA: She helped Harry help Sirius escape from Azkaban, GoF: She helped Harry learn spells he needed and stayed late at night to help him with his taks, OoP: Harry and Hermione saved each other several times back and forth here, but I think there was a deeper meaning somewhere. When Harry realizes he's become reckless allowing himself to enter the MoM on pure instincts [which were wrong unfortunately] and indirectly harming Ron, Hermione, Luna, Ginny and Neville. . . It's Hermione's voice speaking to him.)




OoP, pg. 448, Ch. 21

(Note: Also notice that Harry and Hermione use similar words to describe Umbridge; "hag", "evil" and "twisted".)



(Hermione:)
OoP, pg. 450, Ch. 21

(Note: Again, he easily forgives her.)




OoP, pg. 701, Ch. 30

(Note: Moment COMPLETELY destroyed by the 'Weasley is our King' song. I like that song, you may like that song, but it's like humor. There's a time and place for everything and that moment was definitely NOT the time. This scene had so much potential!)



OoP, pg. 732, Ch. 32

(Note: And possibly kiss her? This moment oozes with tension.)



OoP, pg 738, Ch. 32



Gosh, Hermione and Harry pulling each other into closets, abandoned classrooms, and columns. That's close proximity, being together in a column!

Harry finds it easy to forgive Hermione and there is a lot more tension stirring than we once thought. Hermione stands her ground when she's around Harry but backs down when he gets too rough. They each have similar thoughts several times within the series and sometimes finish each other's sentences or speak at the same time.

"Moonlight was falling across her bed. Her eyes were open too. She looked petrified--"

Hermione is beautifully described here. Why? *croaks in Gollum-like voice* I think me knows!

I'm thinking of putting up another forum on Moments You May Have Missed, Movie Moments. What do you think?

Edited to take out lines. -Sarmi

Wow...

That's all I can say really, just...wow.

And they say RON and Hermione have UST!! PUH-leeze!!

That's all for now.

*Harmony luvr*

Um..doesn't the fact that they frequently touch each other without any tension a.k.a. like friends a negative for a H/Hr romance?

Though there was actually quite a bit of dialogue mixed in there they must have been pretty darn close to each other.

Wow, I'd never really noticed how much sexual tension there was! I mean, I knew it was there... Anyway, I love these quotes! And Shikamaru, I don't think the touching is a negative for H/Hr, it just means they're comfortable around eachother and trust each other enough to know that hormones aren't going to take over and such. Though after that one quote.... (I'll just post it. I haven't gotten th hang of quoting yet):

"But . . . Harry, think about this," said Hermione, taking a step toward him...

"They're not normal dreams!" Harry shouted in her face, standing up and taking a step closer to her in turn. He wanted to shake her.

Normal teenagers feel hesitation or tension when they touch people of the opposite sex. The fact that Harry does this all the time with Hermione without any notice towards that stresses that he doesn't see a difference between her or any of his other friends.

And I find this quite silly



I mean, they're arguing like crazy in that scene! Harry is in a non-stop mode of anger, and Hermione's unwillingness to believe drives him so angry as to almost want to physically harm her, and here it is interpreted as "sexual tension"? "possibly kiss her"?

I won't say that above qoute is a very good example of sexual tension. But thinking about it not all reletionships are based on sexual tension or sex only. There are lot of other things besides sexual tension. Sexual tension part is just 10 % of what a relationship is. So i would not be bothered too much of the fact that Harry and Hermione are comfortable with physical contact. This marely proves me that they feel protected if they are around each other and they have something more powerful than sexual tension holding them together.

I think I LOVED that. It shows how much he pays attention to her. I mean, why would he care if moonlight was falling across her if he didn't have "more than friends" feelings toward her.

This also complies to the fact of OotP when Harry stated that she wasn'tugly, THEREFORE he thinks she's pretty!

Saying she's not ugly doesn't mean Harry thinks she's pretty. I do agree with you wholeheartedly with the moonlight. It was a beatifully described scene. I like your avatar, by the way.

In case some of you haven't read this and are running out of ways to spend your time counting down to HBP, you may want to take a look just for the heck of it!

Meg

Yep, uhuh, definetly missed those. Thanks for posting them! Any H/Hr evidence is always welcome in my lalaland! I don't like the idea of sexual tension because alot of R/Hr people talk about that so yeah...but I will say that the scene whre Harry wanted to shake Hermione, that would be cute except for the fact that they were talking about Harry's "dreams".

P.S. I love the rant room!!

Yeah, Isn't it obvious? She's in love with him, Harry.

Just saw this quote in isolation and it struck me in a way it never has before. Odd isn't it.

One more I have to add.

Kreacher injured buckbeak the hippogriff (s?) right after Harry had his vision. We're all familiar with the theories about Buckbeak being a symbol of Harry and Hermione's love. Isn't it interesting that Buckbeak was hurt just before their big argument.

Not neccessarily. It just means there comfortable with each other. Plus, it's only the third and fifth book at most. Be patient. Give it time, eager beaver!

Okay i am officially bored and dying of anxiety.

I think i have read every bit of fanfic and every bit of essay i could find anywhere in HMS Harmony's universe.

I will admit something. I watched Prisoner of Azkaban only 2 months ago. I really liked it. So i thought about reading the books. i got all five of them from the library. It took me three das to read all of them and by the end when i reached bottom of the pile i could not beleive that there were no books left.

Since than i have re-read the books quite a few times and i have enjoyed the moments people talk about. one more thing i have noticed is that Harry and Hermione being comfortable with physical contact indicates that they like it. Hermione and ron never hold hands or never jump for security to each other. whereas harry and hermione do that quite a bit.

re touching each other.

For immature people being embarresed to touch can indicate a crush.

For more mature people finding reasons to touch somebody is a definate body language indicator of being interested in them.

I think Harry and Hermione are pretty mature, even JK has said, Harry is an 'old soul'

"Harry is an 'old soul' "

And to add to that.... look how Trelawny described Hermione in PoA (movie): But the heart that beats beneath your bossom is as shriveled as an old maids...

Old soul goes with old maid.

What about in chapter "Hagrid's Tale?" When Harry throws the cloak over the three of them, and Hermione keeps grabbing his arm and whispering in his ear. . . and Harry even claps a hand over her mouth!

Come on! Am I the only one who saw this?

No, no you're not , Medusa. I spotted this too. I mean, come on, if Ron did that, he AND Hermione would have been uncomfortable.

Wouldn't you agree?

I mean, I kinda find it a little gross if I do that to my best friend, who is a GIRL. I dont know, maybe I'm rambling.

*Harmony luvr*

There's always been blatant sexual tension between Harry and Hermione; Heron dismisses this and suggests that the supposed sexual tension rests between Ron and Hermione, when it all actuallity, it lies between Harry and Hermione.

Ron and Hermione's arguments have no depth whatsoever; their arguments are hollow, fueled by exasperation and not the heart.

Arguments and altercations between Harry and Hermione are passionate, compassionate, and have reason, depth, et cetera.

I've always noticed distinct sexual tension between the two.

They've a sexual tension wanting, pleading to erupt - in time, folks, in time.

Another aspect of their relationship is that they're constantly touching one another - and when has Harry done that with another female or Hermione, another male? Never; not really. But when it comes to Harry and Hermione, they're constantly touching, grabbing, pulling . . . a need to be beside one another, near one another . . .

It's quite obvious, don't you agree?

Even if THEY don't know it quite yet, according to the novel; but time will tell.

This is probably my favorite scene in OotP. Words can't explain how perfect these two are....gosh, every time I read it I just mush over....:sigh:

Thanks for these...all of them say so much, yet are still soo throughly hidden that finding them is like finding unexpected $$ in your pocket.

I love that one too. Whenever I read that, I just can't believe anyone would want Ron and Hermione together.



Thank you! At least I'm not the only one. I was reading somewhere that people didn't really like Hagrid's Tale. But there are so many little moments in that chapter.

I also like it when Ron throws his letter from Percy at Harry and Hermione, and they "lean close toward each other to read it."

I don't think that meant anything, but I still liked it.

That is so cool. I wish I was half as observant...

Ok, maybe I'm delusional, but there was a scene in the begining of CoS that still makes me giddy whenever I see it. You know when the scene where Hermione first meets up with Harry and Hagrid outside of Florish and Blots. Right after she fixes his glasses, she gives him this adorable little look that just makes me melt. You know, when Hagrid "leaves them two at it".....

Did ne one else notice it, or was it just me????

Ah I loved those scenes! I mean, c'mon, who cannot love that? Hermione always caring, Harry being protective. And I also saw that "leaning close towards each other" hehehe, ah, gotta love it.

from all of these "Beautiful and lovely" H/hr quote and "Moment' from book and movie.

I just want to said to all of Ant-H/hr and R/hr and H/G even Mrs. Rowling

"DELUSIONAL AND NON-CANON" MY A**!! H/HR IS MORE THEN THAT..."they got TRUE LOVE" and "THEY ARE MEANT TO BE"

(Note: They have a bit of a habit of saying/doing the same thing at the same time or thinking the same thought. As you'll see later down the list, they have similar instincts.)

DON'T YOU JUST LOVE THOSE TWO...H/HR THEY ARE LIKE "ONE"

I know! I love that scene. That one, an neart he end after she comes back from being petrified, and Neville says "Harry, it's Hermione"! Ah, Harmony love! And you say delusional like it's a bad thing....

hellllo....how about all of H/hr moment from PoA the movie..from beginning where Hermione just greet Harry from stair at L.C when she turn around her "jaw drop" to all of scene from W.Willow where she land on top of him..to werewolf chasing to handholding-running to forest and flying with buckbeck...to end where he and Hermione stared little "Secert" when he got his firebolt...

IT ALWAYS H/HR FROM BEGINNING TO END...

Of course I'm delusional, and I'm darn proud of it!

Orig Topic Title: Chapter 2, book 3, A new interpretation?

Ok, don't judge me or anything but... as I was reading chapter 2 last night with my Harry/Hermione clue searching head on I began to formulate a little theory. The first thing I was struck by was when Harry first tried to keep himself calm during Aunt Marge's visit was the thought of the Hogsmede form - so he was indirectly thinking of Hermione...and Ron. THEN things changed. From then on he tries to calm himself with thoughts of the Broomstick Servicing Kit. Sent by Hermione. Not only this but he tries to memorise parts of the book - quite a Hermione-ish thing to do, wouldn't you say. "Aaww" I thought "Well, thats a nice little possible Harmony hint" and I was about to continue when the twisted half of my brain piped up with.... "Could be a bit freudian, that." Obviously I won't go into too much detail for there are innocent minds to be taken into consideration BUT...what do you think Freud would have had to say about all that? Broomsticks....servicing....Hermione.... I'm just saying

Anyway....just my 2cents

Ariadne

Okay, we always talk about our favorite H/Hr moments, but I wanted to ask what is your favorite subtle moment. A moment where only H/Hr's like us would notice. I think mine would have to be in book 5 when Harry and Hermione are in the forest right after they escape the Centaurs.
Chapter 33 page 750 (American Version).

"Anyway, Harry, how exactly were you planning to get all the way to London?"

"Yeah, we were just wondering that," said a familiar voice from behind her.

Harry and Hermione moved instinctively together, peering through the trees....

They were bickering...well at least Harry was...at Hermione, which as we all know he did a lot during book 5. Even though he was annoyed with her, as soon as he heard someone else he moved close next to her without even thinking. That line always makes me smile.

What do you guys think? Please tell me your subtle moment!

~HM

awwww

Chapter Thirty-Two

Harry and Hermione get into an argument about Sirius being at the Ministry of Magic and as they argue, they both move toward each other, p. 732

I thought that was a cute moment I bet if they show that on the movie when its made it'll just have h/hr shippers screaming for him to kiss her

I like the scenes that have been mentioned so far. I say that the subtlty of H/Hr is quite telling, at least IMO. One of my favorite subtle moments comes in HP and the Sorcerer's Stone.

US Edition, Chapter 15 The Forbidden Forrest, pg. 259

Can you imagine just how fast Hermione had to have been running in order to leave Hagrid behind her? They usually have to take three steps to Hagrid's one, almost running to keep up with his fast walking. Here, Hermione leaves Hagrid behind and we know that both were running, it says so for Hermione and it can definitely be assumed with "Hagrid puffing along behind her" that Hagrid was too. I love it! There are so many good subtle moments for Harry and Hermione. The books are chalk full of them!

Harmony FOREVER!!

~HermioneGirl~

Great thread!

I loved the one you mentioned, HM.

I absolutely love this one:

OotP:



I love this. Classic H/Hr. Simple, but funny and sweet.

Oh, all those moments you've posted are so sweet. I have a moment in mind but I don't have the book with me....

The moment I had in mind is in the Prisoner of Azkaban. Hermione is nagging Harry about the marauders map and he grins at her and says something akin to, "You're not going to report me are you?" Then Hermione starts stuttering and I just picture her falling for his smile. I think it's subtle and cute.

-Anna

I think my favorite moment is from HBP, when Harry confronts her about confunding McClaggen, where she says she did it to not only benefit her friends, but, because she didn't think Harry would want someone like that on his team.

"Isn't that dishonest Hermione?" Harry asks with a smirk

Hermione gets all flustered as Harry continues to smirk.

After that moment, my second favorite is from GOF. Who can forget the toast and walk around the lake scene?

~Salamon2

A couple of things coming to mind right now. More might follow.

1- There is one time, when watching quidditch, Hermione is so focused on Harry that she's totally unaware that Ron and others are fighting just at her side. Unfortunately I'm not sure in which book this happens - I think PoA, or PS/SS, but I always find that charming.
2-In GoF, when Hermione tells Harry that she knew right away, looking at him, that he did not put his name in the goblet - a good example of how they can understand each other.
3-OotP... there are so much big H/Hr moments and subtle others in that book! I particularly like all the times Harry is proud of Hermione's skills and ideas. I also like the scene when she asks him to go knit with her, and she's disappointed that he does not go. Even in HBP, she's not like that with Ron.
4-In HBP, when Harry is touched to see that Hermione remembers all he has told them in the DA; this is my favorite, but it's one among many others. After a 3rd re-reading, it's clear now to me that HBP is the book of subtle H/Hr moments. I think, now, that in HBP Harry and Hermione's relationship is changing a lot, and IMO it's good for us.

Don't have my book in front of me, but in Ootp, all of the Weasleys are celebrating the outcome of Harry's hearing. Then his scar starts hurting and the only one who notices is Hermione.

lol I was reading that last night and it made me think of this thread!

Awesome moments guys! It's fun to look back and read moments I've forgotten. Looking forward to reading more!