Hey guys!

First off, just want to let you know that Falcon is the one who discovered this, not me!!!!!!! Secondly, I lurve this new look!!!!! Keep it up!!!

Alrighty now......

GoF (US Version) p318

"I'll come, but I'm not meeting Ron, and I'm wearing my Invisibility Cloak."

"Oh all right then . . ." Hermione snapped, "but I hate talking to you in that cloak, I never know if I'm looking at you or not."

Now, this implies that Harry has worn his cloak before, without Ron or Hermione under it with him. It also implies that Hermione has gone on some escapades with Harry, while only he was under his cloak, that we don't know about.

In PS/SS he wore it by himself for the mirror, then Ron wore it by himself, then Harry & Hermione wore it to sneak Norbert out, then all three wore it to get to Fluffy.

In CoS, I don't recall Hermione ever being with Ron & Harry under the Invisibility cloak. Ron & Harry wore it to talk to Hagrid about his part in the opening of the Chamber of Secrets.

In PoA, we know he wore to sneak into Hogsmeade with Ron, then ALL of them wore it at the end.

Now, any suggestions as to when only Harry wore the cloak & only Hermione was with him?????????

Also, another thing.........but not so much a H/Hr moment, but it is Harry related.

GoF (US Version) p201

"Saturn, dear, the planet Saturn!" said Professor Trelawney, sounding definitely irritated that he wasn't riveted by this news. "I was saying that Saturn was surely in a position of power in the heavens at the moment of your birth . . . Your dark hair . . . your mean stature . . . tragic losses . . ."

Now, think about Math when thinking mean, like mean, median, and mode. Mean refers to average. Stature refers to height. Ergo, Harry is of average height for a 14 year-old boy. Which puts him somewhere close to Ron but not quite Ron's height. He's no longer the *short* skinny boy, he's of average height now at 14. Hopefully in the next 3 books, we'll see a much taller Harry...........maybe even taller than Ron.

See y'all!!!! Gotta go to bed!!!!

Sarmi and Falcon- Great job on catching those quotes! I had never gotten them before! I'll have to go and tell our fellow Pumpkin Pie shipmates what you all found. It could start a new question: What kind of moments do you think JKR is leaving out of the books. I hope you all find some more!

~Sugarjet Erin

Excellent! I just saw you posted that on SCUZA, hmm I do wonder if JKR left out a few interesting adventures that were never mentioned?
That leaves a lot of space for writers to insert some stuff that weren't mentioned in the books... I'm not sure if thats a good thing or bad...

Perhaps good if you read Parker's Etiquette and Friend Enough?

Hermione and Ron's actions/thoughts after the third task about Harry..
A great read..

=o= Max LoneWolf

Ohhhh! I always thought there weren't enough H/H adventures under the Invisibility cloak! Because what you are saying Sarmi, is that She has been with him while he was wearing the cloak, and she wasn't. She hates talking to him when he wears it. She can never find him. So, they have done stuff that we don't know! OHHH, I AM SO EXCITED! How could JK leave out great fluff and not tell us? ::growls:: Well, let's hope she tells us soon! ^_~

~Jamie, who is so proud of Sarmi!

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I just re-noticed a part in "Prisoner" which always made me wonder and thought I'd bring it up here to see what you all think.

In the climax, when Harry and Hermione are trying to get back to the Hospital Wing, they need to avoid Peeves by going into an empty classroom. Here's the quote I'm on about:

"'Peeves!' Harry muttered, grabbing Hermione's wrist. 'In here!'" (p304, Australian/British edition)

Now, I've always sort of wondered, why did he grab her wrist? Why not her hand? Does anyone think this means something? If so, what? Or am I just a raving lunatic who spends waaaaaaay too much time thinking about her ship?

I dunno.. what does it matter if he grabbed her hand or her wrist? I don't get it..

~Av

hmm...interesting point Kath. I never noticed that while reading PoA, but now that you point it out, I'm sure that I've read something about that somewhere, maybe health class....It was something about, if you grab a person by the hand you consider them an equal, but if you grab them by the wrist you are either very overprotective (I could see Harry wanting to protect 'Mione) or very possessive (let us certainly hope not! ) I don't know if any of this is relevant. Maybe he just grabbed her wrist because it was the easiest thing to reach, or because he was scared....I don't know. I'll think on it, though....

Lily

Wow, that's really interesting Lily, and certaintly gives me more to think about. Maybe it does show that he was just trying to be protective of her, huh?

Rosie - I thought I'd come out of this topic sounding a little nutty What I was trying to get at is whether or not there was a reason that he grabbed her wrist and not her hand. Was it merely the quickest and easiest thing to do? (though you'd think that the hand and the wrist would be equally accessible, wouldn't you?) Was it that he perhaps felt a little shy about holding her hand? (similar to Chris C's reasoning behind the R/H non-hug though this actually happened ) Perhaps he already has feelings for her but isn't yet aware of it? You know, holding someone's hand is quite intimate, perhaps he wasn't ready for that yet? I dunno, as I say, maybe I'm just pulling out little bits of nothing from the text and trying to turn it into something *shrugs*

Mod Note: Merged 2 related threads with this topic. Links to starting posts below. ~Anazecria/Nielle 24/12/2004

-- The Little Things

-- The Little things..., we wouldn't really think of about H/Hr

Ok, so, i'm bored and decided to start a thread. seeing as the "missed evidence" is so common to discussion that i thought it deserved its own thread.

I myself have nothing yet, but i'm re-reading GoF and will have some stuff added later.

Basically for this thread all you have to do is post little captions from the books, and your theory on how it's an easily overlooked point supporting h/hr.

Also, this can be a place for debating what you think about peoples theories, or your own (as this also seems to be a common topic).

Essays, theories, reasons, moments and anything else on that subject are welcome. i see that lots of threads end up started because people think up new ideas, so here's where to go if you think up something.

~Av

First of all i excuse myself for any problems to understand me. I hope itísent to difficult.

Now my theorie.
After GoF we know it will become darker, how JKR has said. That what coming in future books. Of course Harry and Hermione will become a couple.

Book 5: Rising danger! like sleeping Dragon!
I think between Ron and Hermione will not so much happen
Maybe a kiss or something like that but not more. Hermione is in my opinion to cold agains Ron, if there go anything more as a kiss. They don´t date or go longer than two months out. From Krum we won´t hear so much in future. When than only in common with Hermione. I think if she go to Bulgaria she will be in realy danger. Maybe something happen to her in holydays.
Why say i this? Thank to Rita Skeeter the whole wizzardsworld know how important she is for Harry, and that she a muggleborn. So if Voldi need a start there is it.
So what will happen between Harry and Cho? Nothing. I mean he want have to speak to her, because of Cederic.

I think Harry will not a part of the order, he is to young. I believe the order has to save him, but can´t it.
Who will die? I think it will Mrs. Weasley. She is to Harry very close. Maybe so close like Hermione in someplace.
In this book will not so much about relationships. I know some expected this, but there so much more than this what worry Harry. The dead of Mrs Weasley will many things change. Like the part of Ginny in the books and friendship between Harry and Ron. Thats why he need Hermione so badly. She is the only one who never has doubts in him. She will delighten, in a other way than expected. Maybe she shows more feelings or comfort like at this moment in PS/SS before Potiontask.
I think Harry knows how important she realy is for him, but want´nt let it be. You know he has fears that he could lose her. She is to close to his real him, that he could´nt lose her. It would so much more hurt, than anything else.
well, something will happen to her like go hurt or kidnapping by Voldi. Maybe she comes under Imperius Course or so, i don´t realy know. It has to be something what let Harry think about his feelings for her. That he has to face his emotions for her.
Why will Voldi kill him? Good question! I think this has something to do with power. Maybe he as last slytherin have to kill all heirs to become all power. In this point Harry has to be the heir of griffindor. I´m not sure about this. I mean James has to be the part who was heir. Thats why he has to be killed.
What about Snape? He will be as Crouch jr. double go to Voldie.


Book 6: It will realy dangerous.
The war has begun and it will show who is at side of Harry and who not. I think not all slytherin will agains Harry, i believe more that someone to his next side will be agains him. It would be hard for him to trust someone. May be it is Ron in his anger about something happen to his family. I do think Neville will become to a realy important person in this book. But can´t say why.

Book 7: Show down:
We all know Voldi will not survive. But what is with Harry.
There three possible for a ending:
1. Harry and Ron will be friends again after book 6 and thogether with Hermione fight agains Voldie. They will win. But Harry lose his love, Hermione. She will be insanse or dead. Thats why he will turn his back to the wizzardsworld. He has lost so much love to this world.
Thats the best way to end this books. Why? Hermione is like JKR, also a realy key to every book. But when she died the link to this world will destrory.

2. First its like 1 but not Hermione will killed, its Harry. I don´t believe this. Thats all.

3. Nobody died only Voldie. Its a classical happy end.
That something what i can´t believe, too.

That is it.


inserting this from a post mangled by a database error. - gal-texter




It is allready in the books. In my opinion in all Books Harry gos around without realy knowledge and than something happen. I explain, in PS/SS he don´t realy know about the P-stone or about Voldie, but he gos in danger.
In COS he don´t know what he will find in the chamber, or before he know anything about it.
In POA he don´t know about Black and the truth about the day as harrys parents died. He don´t know that Lupin is a werwolf.
In GoF he don´t know who put his name in gamble.
He don´t know who Mad eye Moody realy is.
But everytime he don´t know for sure anything he got in danger.
Thats something what i understand when i hear this motto. You should´nt somone tickle who you not know, because you don´t know how someone could react.
Because of this whole thing is Hermione so important. She is the one who look at first in a book before she do something, but Harry would´nt do this. Would´nt know his Dragon before he tickle it. He is lucky to have Hermione. Without her he would´nt be alive. A Dragon can be realy hot sometimes.

QUOTE (phoenixwriter @ Apr 7 2003, 06:17 PM)

First of all i excuse myself for any problems to understand me. I hope itísent to difficult. Now my theorie. After GoF we know it will become darker, how JKR has said. That what coming in future books. Of course Harry and Hermione will become a couple. Book 5: Rising danger! like sleeping Dragon! I think between Ron and Hermione will not so much happen Maybe a kiss or something like that but not more. Hermione is in my opinion to cold agains Ron, if there go anything more as a kiss. They don´t date or go longer than two months out. From Krum we won´t hear so much in future. When than only in common with Hermione. I think if she go to Bulgaria she will be in realy danger. Maybe something happen to her in holydays. Why say i this? Thank to Rita Skeeter the whole wizzardsworld know how important she is for Harry, and that she a muggleborn. So if Voldi need a start there is it. So what will happen between Harry and Cho? Nothing. I mean he want have to speak to her, because of Cederic. I think Harry will not a part of the order, he is to young. I believe the order has to save him, but can´t it. Who will die? I think it will Mrs. Weasley. She is to Harry very close. Maybe so close like Hermione in someplace. In this book will not so much about relationships. I know some expected this, but there so much more than this what worry Harry. The dead of Mrs Weasley will many things change. Like the part of Ginny in the books and friendship between Harry and Ron. Thats why he need Hermione so badly. She is the only one who never has doubts in him. She will delighten, in a other way than expected. Maybe she shows more feelings or comfort like at this moment in PS/SS before Potiontask. I think Harry knows how important she realy is for him, but want´nt let it be. You know he has fears that he could lose her. She is to close to his real him, that he could´nt lose her. It would so much more hurt, than anything else. well, something will happen to her like go hurt or kidnapping by Voldi. Maybe she comes under Imperius Course or so, i don´t realy know. It has to be something what let Harry think about his feelings for her. That he has to face his emotions for her. Why will Voldi kill him? Good question! I think this has something to do with power. Maybe he as last slytherin have to kill all heirs to become all power. In this point Harry has to be the heir of griffindor. I´m not sure about this. I mean James has to be the part who was heir. Thats why he has to be killed. What about Snape? He will be as Crouch jr. double go to Voldie. Book 6: It will realy dangerous. The war has begun and it will show who is at side of Harry and who not. I think not all slytherin will agains Harry, i believe more that someone to his next side will be agains him. It would be hard for him to trust someone. May be it is Ron in his anger about something happen to his family. I do think Neville will become to a realy important person in this book. But can´t say why. Book 7: Show down: We all know Voldi will not survive. But what is with Harry. There three possible for a ending: 1. Harry and Ron will be friends again after book 6 and thogether with Hermione fight agains Voldie. They will win. But Harry lose his love, Hermione. She will be insanse or dead. Thats why he will turn his back to the wizzardsworld. He has lost so much love to this world. Thats the best way to end this books. Why? Hermione is like JKR, also a realy key to every book. But when she died the link to this world will destrory. 2. First its like 1 but not Hermione will killed, its Harry. I don´t believe this. Thats all. 3. Nobody died only Voldie. Its a classical happy end. That something what i can´t believe, too. That is it.

"After GoF we know it will become darker, how JKR has said. That what coming in future books. Of course Harry and Hermione will become a couple. "

a agree with you there so not much to add to that.

"Hermione is in my opinion to cold agains Ron, if there go anything more as a kiss. They don´t date or go longer than two months out."

well, think that too, i was on the same line as you are too there, nothing long term. and that should happend on book 5 or 6(most likely book 5).

Cho and Harry will not end up, it is very unlikely that it wil happend, but JKR has surpriced me to many time already so i am not ruling it out.

"I think Harry will not a part of the order, he is to young. I believe the order has to save him, but can´t it."

well he is too young, but he can start his training to join the order on future book, like book 7 before the final battle.
extra DADA or something similar.

The Deaths.
well MRS.Weasly,hagrid,ginny,lupin,dobbie. what is a "Fan".
they are all targets, but still ,if any of them will die, it will take hard on Harry.

Book 6:
well, H/H will problebly start to Notice eachoter in a much deeper level so, i think that after R/HG has "cleared" out thier feelings towards eachother they will become a couple, that will be like Lilly and James.
but before that it will be an other girl that Harry will hook up with, nothing long term, it will be like R/HG.
but Harry and the girl will be toghether so he is on the 5:th weel, with HG/R.

Neville, well, i think Neville will be important too, maybe her herboligy skills will help out.
Much more important that we can imagine.

H/H, well considering that R/HG had a thing a bok 5 or 6.
maybe when the war is at it worst.
something could happend, that will make H/H spend more time, like POA.
becouse R/HG will have/had something simlar in book 5 OOTP.
while harry is having his training on book 5.


Book 7:
i agree with you, but Hermione will not die, siriously injured, but dumbledore will die, so harry can take his place
and kill Voldie.
and that could make him and realse all his magic too kill voldie while he is angry.

I do agree with you, that considering how Hary and voldie are connected, by the scar.
if Voldie dies, harry will die, the one can not exsist witout the other. Like Ying and Yang.
evil can´t exist witout good and vice versa.
so.
and if Voldie dies, maybe harry loses some of his powers or die with him.

that´s my to 2 cents.
greetings from Rodrigo
sweden

It is allready in the books. In my opinion in all Books Harry gos around without realy knowledge and than something happen. I explain, in PS/SS he don´t realy know about the P-stone or about Voldie, but he gos in danger.
In COS he don´t know what he will find in the chamber, or before he know anything about it.
In POA he don´t know about Black and the truth about the day as harrys parents died. He don´t know that Lupin is a werwolf.
In GoF he don´t know who put his name in gamble.
He don´t know who Mad eye Moody realy is.
But everytime he don´t know for sure anything he got in danger.
Thats something what i understand when i hear this motto. You should´nt somone tickle who you not know, because you don´t know how someone could react.
Because of this whole thing is Hermione so important. She is the one who look at first in a book before she do something, but Harry would´nt do this. Would´nt know his Dragon before he tickle it. He is lucky to have Hermione. Without her he would´nt be alive. A Dragon can be realy hot sometimes.

I've posted this before its not all littel hints..but...you know...

As in MANY posts I have posted I have told you about the thing how J.K.R likes to throw you off track as so...that's reason number one.

2.)In PS I know the talk they had would have been enough but they hugged.
3.)In CoS{movie}yet again maybe just being happy and saying I'm glad you're back would be fine but yet again....they hugged.
4) In PoA That time when Harry said something like...'You won't tell on me will you' and he grinned and Hermione couldn't say no to HIM grinning and she got all....jumpy.
5)In GoF a hug would've been fine at the end but...she just had to kiss him, did she kiss Ron? Don't think so and all kind of people say that she did after Harry left. Well if Ron was there he wouldn't of just...stood there he would've did something like make a noise laugh walk over and push Hermione away. So therefore he wasn't there.
6)In CoS they were WAY too happy to see eachother.
7) Who thought of Hermione when the troll came? {Harry}
8)Who was caressing Hermione's hand in CoS?{movie} {Harry}
9)Who did Hermione spend MORE time with when Harry and Ron were fighting? {Harry}
10) Who did Hermione Kiss? *Gof* {Harry}
11) Who did Hermione talk about non stop to Krum making him think something was going on between them{Harry}
12)Who did Hermione hug? {Harry} and afterwards they were holding hands. Every R/H Shippers use that as a clue to Hermione/Ron they say its..."tension" and you're not supossed to hug someone you like. Well...I saw nothing like that they weren't hugging because you don't hug someone you like! I saw nothing in their eyes. She was more comfortable hugging Harry 'cause they are closer and He was the first friend to sexcept her and that was one of the first things she saw in him. Ron started off by being mean and a git {I personally DON'T like him}.
13)They look better together
14) My guess is Hermione finally saw how much she like Harry seeing him lying there half dead.
15)There's already two people who see something between them. Rita Skeeter {yay!} and Even Krum saw something. {see number 11}
16)The fact that Harry was totally disracted in CoS due to Hermione being pertified. It was the fact of her being able to servive that gave him the strength to kill the basiliks. {least I think so}
17)The whole part of PoA when Harry and Hermione are saving buckbeak.
18)The mere way Harry and Hermione look at eachother.
19)Harry and Hermione's connection
20)When Hermione first came in the Compartment in PS she fixed his glasses. In CoS she fixed his glasses and during Harry's quidditch game Hermione came out of no where and put a waterproof spell on his glasses. {she's ALWAYS doing stuff to his glasses...I think it's a strange...obsession or something!

like you said{person who started the thread} its like clear mascarra{sp?} just because u cant see it dont mean its not there.
They were just made for eachother...
....You have to read between the lines J.K.R isn't one of those people to make things that jump out at you come true.

Did I make sense?

I don't think JKR ever actually used the word "Fan".

The HPfGUs group had a thread trying to pin down where down where specific qoutes came from and no one could ever find an interview with her saying that. I tend to think it was a reporter paraphrasing her and using the word 'Fan" themselves.

Melissa

i read it in a swedish newspaper "Aftonbladet" www.aftonbladet.se.
where i read the word "fan" so. maybe the reporter misquoated.
or something.
but still any of the persons that i refered too in mine previous post death will take hard on Harry.
can´t wait for the book to come.

rodrigo L

Edited to fix formatting. ~Anazecria/Nielle

Hmmm, those are definitely really good quotes.

Not to burst anybody's bubble or anything, but I think she was referring to PoA when Harry snuck into Hogsmeade in his cloak using the Marauders' Map. He was under the cloak by himself that time, but was with both Hermione and Ron.

Yeah, I think I agree with Ellipses...still great for ffs though.

Hey you know, that under the cloak bit...when i read it, i thought about it for a second, but i never really considered it seriously. Nice catch though, that definately does suggest there have been other occassions where Harry and Hermione go off somewhere and Harry's under the cloak! Wonder what they were though?

I wonder... Lol, just kidding!

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Hey! I was reading the Halloween chapter in HP and the SS (us version), and on page 172 it says that Hermione did not show up at the Great Hall and that she wasn't see all afternoon. Am I just grasping for staws, or could that mean that Harry was asking people where Hermione was?

Well, possibly, but the book is in Harry's point of view, so I think it might just be sayng that HE AND RON haven't seen her all day. And they would've seen if she wasn't there at the Great Hall themselves. However, they did find out that she was in the loo from outside sources.

yes, I agree with Dreamin_Athena..

Unless it DID say, No one else had seen Hermione either, or something like that. Then maybe we could guess that he had asked around..

Good spotting though!


~*Amanda

Nah...i guess Harry just didn't notice it, but since the book says nothing about them asking around, it's safe to say they didn't.

I think you're grasping here...I think they wouldn't have seen her during the day and just assumed that.

I think you may be grasping a bit here too, but that's perfectly alright. At least you have some thoughts and ideas to share with the rest of us.

Yea, you're probably right. But it would have been a great moment for them if it were true. Heck, the fact that he thought of Hermione and the troll when he hadn't spoken to her for a while, speaks volumes!

The part of the Halloween feast, it was Harry's point of view. It was his first year for heaven's sake!

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Uhm I suppose I have nothing better to do as to read things somewhat closer. Lets see what I found if we talk of atmosphere and author intention:

They had turned into the High Street and she paused outside Scrivenshaft's Quill Shop, where there was a handsome display of pheasant feather quills in the window. 'Hmm . . . I could do with a new quill.'
She turned into the shop. Harry and Ron followed her.


Emphasis is mine. Quill Shop this is rather interesting because this is connected to Hermione, this at least I get from this scene. Ron nor Harry are much interest in this. Furthermore if we go back into book2 we know Hermione did once buy a quill as christmas present. My point? I'll coming to it.

It started to rain as they passed. Scrivenshaft's; cold, heavy drops of water kept hitting Harry's face and the back of his neck.

This is on the day as Harry had his date with Cho. The interesting part is that it started to rain after they passed Scrivenshaft's. JKR pin point it here very exactly when it starts and where this water did hit Harry. Author intention I did call this.

But we make some more note's regarding Harry's feelings for Cho:

Wow. I never noticed it was the same store Hermione wanted to get into. It's no coincidence that's for sure.

Let's see, it's the store Hermione brought Harry and Ron to, and previously bought Harry a quill there. But the meaning of this little tidbit eludes me.

The fact that the first thing Harry could think of is Hermione is just incredibly revealing. Especially since throughout the book Harry thinks about her A LOT. It's like little things remind him of her, like the house elf at the Ministry and he doesn't only note the connection between House Elves and Herms but also imagines what she'd think, AND GRINS at it.

His subconscious shows it well when it argues with his ego, in a Hermione-like way. It brings him reason, and talks in her voice. And Harry listens to it.

My point is it might not be JKR pointing it but more like HARRY pointing to the fact that they passed something that he connects with Hermione.

I just reread the scene where the first quote is taken from and I noticed that the conversation inside the store was about a very touchy subject. CHO AND GINNY.

So what does it mean that they passed the store? That Harry was already over both of his so-called love interests?

Merged this topic with formally: Minor Points.
~Phoenixwriter
I've seen a lot of doubting of our wonderful ship lately so I thought that I might express something that's been on my mind for a while: The why of my love for H/Hr and my nearly unshakeable belief that it will be canon. (It's only "nearly" unshakeable because I'm not writing the books so I can't know for 100% sure). And I thought if anyone else wanted to express a similar belief in the inevitable canonness of H/Hr they could jump in too. With all the negativity lately, I think we need a positive thread. So, consider this the "Why I Believe It Will Be Canon" thread.

*achem*

I love our wonderful in-depth essays. I love our statistical analyses.

I adore the unshakeable bond between Harry and Hermione, the way that they understand each other. I love the Hippogriff symbolism in PoA. My heart lept when it recurred in OotP making arguments that it meant nothing seem even less valid. I love that Harry has developed a desire to protect Hermione on a level so basic that it borders on natural instinct. I love that she's always tried to protect him. I love that he trusts her so implicitly that he rarely even has to think about the whys or wherefores.

But these are the big things. These are the things that I think make H/Hr obvious. (It's not a dirty word!)

But the things that quell any niggling doubts and paranoia, be it brought on by media hyping R/Hr or the normal endless streams of people questioning my intelligence and very sanity for believing the way I do, are the little things. The tiny things that tend to go unnoticed. The quiet things that, as a writer, I know I would put into a book to foreshadow a relationship so subtly, yet so undeniably, that it could be at the center of the series in broad sight, yet still end up one of the greatest plot twists in literature

My favorite little thing is in the Grawp chapter. The moment I read it was the moment I became a H/Hr shipper for life. No matter what.

I'm about to throw more in and I think this might be interesting to some sort of level. You see we did always refer to Symbolic Flight and said that only Sirius did fly Buckbeak too. There is another thing Harry, Hermione and Sirius share. Its Dolohov and his slashing movement which Hermione knocked so dreadfully out. Dolohov does this only once again by Harry and Sirius.

There are more minor things if you like its the veil and how Hermione did react to it. We all know how much it will change Harry's life if we reread OotP.

"Careful!" whispered Hermione

and later just read her reaction I think its most interesting.

'Let's go,' called Hermione from halfway up the stone steps. This isn't right, Harry, come on, let's go.'
She sounded scared, much more scared than she had in the room where the brains swam, yet Harry thought the archway had a kind of beauty about it, old though it was. The gently rippling veil intrigued him; he felt a very strong inclination to climb up on the dais and walk through it.
"Harry, lets go, OK? Said Hermione more forcefully.


'Nobody's talking, Harry!' said Hermione, now moving over to him.


'What do you mean, "in there"?' demanded Hermione, jumping down from the bottom step and sounding much angrier than the occasion warranted, 'there isn't any "in there", it's just an archway, there's no room for anybody to be there. Harry, stop it, come away — '
She grabbed his arm and pulled, but he resisted.
'Harry, we are supposed to be here for Sirius!' she said in a high-pitched, strained voice.

"That's what I've been trying to — well, come on, then!' said Hermione, and she led the way back around the dais.

'I don't know, but whatever it was, it was dangerous,' she said firmly, again inscribing a fiery cross on the door.

How was it Hermione is telling very often the right things but the amazing part is Hermione is only directly speaking to Harry though Ginny and Neville are just as Harry drown to the Veil.

But all what Hermione cares for is to get Harry away from it.

Very well said SheWhoHathAPen.

I guess I should also pitch in to the "Why I believe H/Hr will be Canon" idea.

Well, being someone involved in the HP fandom shortly after it got it's own topic in ff.net, my opinions have changed quite dramatically over the years. At first, I didn't really mind who ended up with whom primarily because there simply isn't enough canon evidence that supports or opposes any ship. (Secondarily because one can't be picky with fics then, as there were very few that is of good quality)

Then GoF came, and I became an H/Hr shipper. Mainly because I terribly disliked Ron's behaviour at the Yule Ball. I could understand it if his derogatory comments was sole the product of being unable to control one's emotions, as then that would mean that he didn't mean it. But that look of satisfaction on his face betrays the fact that he didn't feel sorry at all for his actions. Needless to say, if Hermione brings up this part of Ron, then in my mind they really shouldn't be together.

While right then and there I started rooting for H/Hr, it really wasn't until OotP that I truly believed that H/Hr would happen. Pre-ootp, I could very well understand the interpetations of various GoF scenes by R/Hrs that seemed to support Hr-->R. Back then I wouldn't surprised at all if R/Hr were to happen; I was just crossing my fingers and toes that JKR would break them up in the future if that were the case. OotP changed all that. Now, I am nearly certain that R/Hr won't ever see the light of day in canon.

So what is it in OotP that made me think this way?

Apart from Hermione's disappointment at Harry's refusal to knit, her reactions to Cho, or her remarkable concern about Harry's well being? Apart from Harry's dream, his instinct to protect Hermione first and foremost, or the aboslute trust he puts in Hermione that even he is not aware of? Well, the final chapter titles of course.

In GoF, the final chapter is titled 'The Beginning'. In it, Dumbledore talked about the rise of Voldemort, so many people assume that 'the beginning' is the battle against Riddle. The last chapter of OotP, however, is titled the 'The Second War begins'! (Can one shout 'RED HERRING!'?)

I highly doubt that JKR would repeat the same thing twice over, therefore she must be talking about another beginning. This chapter is where Krum asks to talk to Hermione in private, in which she returns later with an impassive look on her face*. At the very end of the chapter, we also see that Hermione 'did something she had never done before'. So what else could the beginning be other than Hermione's revelation of her romantic feelings towards Harry?

*explained in greater detail in Hawk's excellent H/Hr/K essay (which for some reason, I can't find in Symbolic Flight anymore)


DragoonKain3 - who not only believes, but has absolute FAITH in canon!H/Hr

wow, I had never noticed the raining after the Quill Shop thing. I think that could definitely me a little hint or something of the sort. He did seem to miss Hermione on his date with Cho didn't he?

athena

Wow. That some nice parallel between Petunia/Vernon and Harry/Hermione.

Anyway, I was reading fellow Portkeyer .annie.'s Luna Lessons, Luna's romantic potential essay and she mentioned something about her H/Hr pun:

Hermione is a SCARlet woman!

Nice, isn't it? Oh, the little things that come up to keep our ship sailing!

I love the name of this thread. It's exactly right.

SheWhoHathAPen, brilliant spotting with the Vernon/Petunia and Harry/Hermione parallel. I'm impressed.

Not only that, but since book three, R/Hr shippers have yet to come up with any physical interaction between Ron and Hermione. *grins evilly*



-Lauren

Hello... I'm new here... My name is Rogue.... It's not my real name but I prefer that name the most.... I'm incredibly loyal and supportive to the H/Hr ship and the H/hr ship alone.... I'll always stay true to this ship...

I really think it's great with all the H/Hr goodness all over the place... and I hope it ends up being the main pair someday in the upcoming books... That's all I'll say for now... Keep all those H/Hr theories, essays, hints, ect coming....! I'm always thrilled for H/Hr stuff....

It's rather amazing what everyone here can dig up sometimes. I tend to notice things that are a bit below the surface, but not nearly as low as the things you guys find, like the Quill shop bit. Very interesting. Well done to all of you!

MOD NOTE: merged with similar topic. Orig title: 2 H/H moments -I just noticed them. I never realised

I'm sure there are other H/Hr moments throughout the books that have yet to be taken as H/Hr moments, and somebody probably already saw these, but I just couldn't help posting ^.^

Goblet of Fire, Pg 476-477 [UK Version]


My first reaction was, "Awww, that was nice of Harry."
Then, I wondered what Ron, her supposed "boyfriend-to-be", was doing at the time she was being really sad.
He was stuffing his face with toffees. Harry, not Ron, noticed Hermione's saddened expression and quickly thought of a way of distracting her from how bad she was feeling.


Goblet of Fire, pg 498 [UK version]


First of all, the Stunning Spell involved sacrifices on Ron and Hermione's part. If Ron has been the one doing all the falling, what's Hermione been doing?
Ron asked Hermione, rather angrily, why doesn't she take a turn. A turn, not another turn. From this, we can see that Harry hasn't been Stunning Hermione. I wonder why? Was Harry reluctant to Stun her because she was a girl? Because he thought she shouldn't be Stunned because she couldn't handle it? Or because he didn't *want* to Stun Hermione? Obviously, Ron didn't have any objections to Harry practising Stunning on Hermione. I just really wonder what JKR meant when she said "it involved sacrifices on Ron and Hermione's part" when Hermione wasn't being Stunned.... and WHY wasn't she being Stunned? ^.^

My two cents, right there.
I don't deny that I could have been over-examining it, mind you, lol. Still, though...

Oh yeah, and here's something that made me laugh out loud with glee. It's so stupid, it's funny, lol.

Goblet of Fire, Pg 537 [UK version]


Now we take out the "not" in the last sentence, and we've got Harry saying:


So stupid, it's funny, right? lol. But I couldn't help it. I covered the "not" with my thumb, and I laughed squee-ily at the sentence.

Back to my room I go, getting some well-deserved help

~the_dog_star

Nice spots, especially the first one!

woah....harry never said anything bout him and hermione having feelings for each other, just that she wasn't his girlfriend...unless its in the book...its too far....cant reach...too...lazy...yeah, anyway, all he said was that shes not his girlfriend...never anything bout not having feelings for her or vise versa....

Hmm...an excellent find, the_dog_star, but you're prone to finding those little cute shippy moments, aren't you?

I never noticed any of them and I really like the first one. Next time I read GOF, I'm going to squee like mad!

Jennifer

I noticed the first moment, but not the second one. Re-reading it with your post in mind made me squeal. Another shippy moment added to my never-ending list of shippy moments.

Good job!

Ah! I love what you did with the covering up "not". I did the same thing with the kiss thing, only I covered up "on the cheek" and you get "she did something she'd never done before and kissed him". It made me squee, too.

Yay! Good spotting Dog_Star. It made me realise something too ...