haha, yeah I find that rather dumb.

However, Relationship-lyAloof!Harry is different. I consider him to be too busy to worry about girls yet, so if they start the fic out by Ginny dating Harry and he is just being an airhead boyfriend-wise, I think it's kind of funny. Since it fits with canon.

But only if they soon break up so that Ginny can find her true love with Draco.

Kristina

I agree!

*sigh* Yes, yes it is... I really dislike it when she beautiful like some supermodel (seriously, while researching for UBFs, someone actually described her like that... )




~Faith~

I don't mind Submissive!Ginny. How do you think she acted with Tom? I think it's part of her nature.

Exactly! If he has to look past the fact that she's a Weasley AND not perfect... then that's really cool of him. Even though she's probably perfect in his eyes, in the end.

But what I really cant stand is when writers start this transformation with "over the summer...."

NO ONE changes THAT MUCH over a summer. It's only 2 or 3 months. Seriously.

Well of course, but I only like him in one shot fics. Long and chaptered fics need to have a more canon-style Draco.

Kristina

Oh Tom, Tom, Tom. Look what you've done to Ginny... I agree. Submissive is a part of her nature- if not before Tom, definitely now. Even if she "changed," but OotP!Ginny is a whole other subject...

*shakes head in despair* People...



~Faith~

Aww... but it's so much fun!

Kristina

Even though thats from a while ago, I agree! I can't see Harry abusing anybody...except Cho when she was being an moody in that Valentine's place. I wanted to slap her myself! But, if Ginny was dating Harry and he was abusive, I don't think she would stick aroudn. She left Micheal when he was being a prat! What makes you think she'd stick around through someone punching her?

This girl said it best! I do think Draco can go out of character at points. Granted, I like Draco-the-prick. Yes, he should still be a snob and a muggle-hater, but I think you can EXPLAIN his behaviour (i.e. an abusive father, a strict upbringing). And I also think you can have Draco like Ginny from the beginning of your story as long as you EXPLAIN the circumstances (i.e. he has not always liked her, but noticed her). Come on, the only person he teases more than her is Ron and Hermione and that's because Ron's a Weasley and Harry Potter's best friend and Hermione is a "mudblood" and Harry's friend. Notice he hasn't teased Ginny that much after The CofS? I suspect he won't tease her much after she took him down in OotP.

As for the OC...*gulps* I am guilty of incorporating an OC into my D/G fic. Some OCs are good, if they are well written. And *bites lip* I dunno if my OC is well written, but she has been accused of being Mary Sue at times. Although I don't think she's wholly a Mary Sue, but then again, the book I am writing is 1 of 3.

*blinks* that was shameless propaganda there...I'll refrain from listing the title to my FF. heheh

Back to the issue at hand. I do agree with other annoying D/G traits like: Ginny becoming goth or punk or a slut or the most beautiful prissy thing around. I don't like Draco being a "white hat" or becoming everyone's best friend, but I don't see a problem with Draco being soft with only Ginny and at some point (through many serious events) he and Harry can at least be civil to one another or find respect.

I think story telling is all about explanation and interpretation. You can validate any reasoning behind an event or motivation behind a character as long as you can explain yourself logically.

I agree with incognito. Draco and Ginny are both written from Harry's perspective, so we really don't see much at all of their characters. That's why 'Ginny's big change' in OotP was so shocking; you never got to know Ginny before, besides the fact that she likes Harry and is Ron's little sister.

Now, for stereotypes, some of the most common plots I've noticed are:

Ginny is raped and Draco saves her.
Ginny has an eating disorder or is severely depressed and Draco saves her.
Ginny is involved in the war (as a Death Eater prisoner, or a medi-witch) and Draco saves her.
Ginny breaks up with Harry/is dumped by him, and Draco helps her get back at him (IE he saves her, for all intensive purposes).
Ginny becomes punk (usually coupled with the first or second one) and somehow, Draco saves her.
Honestly, reading these stories makes you forget women's place is NOT in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. Stupid wimpy Ginny. Grrr...(BTW, some of you may have noticed, yah I'm just slightly feminist)
Then there's the very rare Ginny helping Draco disobey his father/be a spy or whatever.

Don't get me wrong, these plots are done and done well, but most of them are just annoying after awhile...

You know what else bugs me? When Draco and Harry spend like five minutes together in some MINOR crisis or w/e and suddenly they've come to a truce. They hated each for five years!! That's a long @$$ time! Can be written well, but still, it's just so bloody annoying most of the time.

-Elena
(Oo that was a fun rant!)

Like I like to say- I myself have never been able to find out what precisely feminism is; I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat.




I hate it when Harry and Draco become all trucey to soon, too... grrr....



Faith

Exactly. They're imagining their own little dream world, really.

Hmm... Never read one like that. Sounds intriguing.

Altretanto! If a feminist claims women are better than men, that would be like a man claiming the exact opposite. And that's so hypocritical, honestly. Equality, people!

Haha. Great quote.



~Faith~

Exactly. Harry doesn't care much for relationships anyway, at least not yet in canon. If Ginny were with Draco, he might want to beat Draco up, but he wouldn't try to BREAK them up for his own personal reasons, it would be for Ron. Most likely.

Yes, I can see the tricksters vs. bully connection there. It's intresting.

I agree. If you can love a guy's feet, you can love everything. Because feet are very unnatractive.


Kristina