It's been a while since I've been through this whole thread so I apologize if this has been mentioned already. But one of the moments I really like comes in OotP during Harry's interview with Rita.



It may mean absolutely nothing but I've always held out hope that this is a little wink to the audience, or a bit of foreshadowing. Rita will write articles about Harry and Hermione's relationship again (though I don't necessarily think it will happen in canon), only this time there will be an actual romance to write about. And maybe next time, Rita won't be so horrible.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

You know, I'm the kind of people who jumps pages and open the books randomly to read ahead, and when I was reading OotP for the first time, I opened it in that very part. If you just read:

""Yes, yes, one of these days you'll write more horrible stories about Harry and me," "

It makes your heart SQUEE! Though I don't necessarily believe it means something. I believe it was more of Hermione being defensive against RS.

I think it may have been hopeful thinking on Hermione's part. She didn't have a problem with the article the first time, and she had a boy friend then. I think Hermione sorta wishes for it to happen again.

Well the way I saw it--

"You're early!" said Hermione, moving along to give him room to sit down. "I thought you were with Cho, I wasn't expecting you for another hour at least!"

Hermione's just as excited as she gets when she sees Harry after his stays with the Dursleys... Why? She knew he was coming, she saw him a few hours ago and told him to come-- so it's not like she's really that surprised. Because she doesn't like Rita or Luna??-- well she doesn't like Snape or Umbridge, but she doesn't run up to Harry with exclamation mark salutations after one of their classes does she? She's happy because Cho isn't there. Simple as that. She's so happy Cho isn't with Harry that she doesn't have time to contain herself.

"Cho?" said Rita at once, twisting around in her seat to stare avidly at Harry. "A girl?" She snatched up her crocodile-skin handbag and groped within it.
"It's none of your business if Harry's been with a hundred girls," Hermione told Rita cooly. "So you can put that away right now."....

Why so irritated? She doesn't like Rita writing articles but...

...

"Pretty girl is she Harry?"
"One more word about Harry's love life and the deal's off and that's a promise," said Hermione irritably.
"What deal?" said rita, wiping her mouth on the back of her hand. "You haven't mentioned a deal yet, Miss Prissy, you just told me to turn up. Oh, one these days..." She took a deep shuddering breath.
"Yes one of these days you'll write more horrible stories about Harry and me," said Hermione indifferently. "Find someone who cares why don't you?"

Now here's the catch, after two angry retalations with Rita mentioning Harry's love life in a way not related to her why become less offended when Rita directly relates her web of "fiction" to HER and harry, shouldn't she be more angry? It's like when a rumor about someone else starts and you feel bad for whoever it's about, but when it's about you, the reaction intensfies to why, the hell is anyone making something up about me? And then there are those rumors well that people like to keep, because something in them they like... she doesn't care, she isn't violently against Rita mentioning them together like she was with the mention of Cho/Harry because she wants it. Even if she hasn't admitted it to herself yet. Look how angry she is at Rita before, it's not so much because of Rita's stories but the implications she's talking about. Once HHR is implied Hermione has NO problem.

By the way thought this was a good side note:

"The Phropet wouldn't print it. In case you haven't noticed, nobody believes his ######-and-bull story. Everyone thinks he's delusional. Now if you let me write the story from that angle--

(567 US Edition)

Everyone thought Harry was delusional, and guess what--they were wrong! Isn't the phropet the name of the paper Leaky is running up to the release of DH--why won't they print our views? Because everyone thinks we're delusional.

I was just reading about one of us going "under cover" as a heron and acting like she/he was worriedly wondering if R/Hr was the red herring. Surprising but some herons were civil and replied that none of the major ships were really destroyed in book 6, and familarly enough they'd still have fan fiction if that ever happened. It's all about angles, and approaches, JKR could've been pacing the IOD at an angle, writing HBP at an angle, everything to throw us off the trail until low and behold all the "dinky-little" HHR sites turn out to be as dinky-little as the Quibbler after Harry's story was published.

Harry's a delusional... Uhmm, that sent my mind to imagine tons of possibilities.



I think I read somewhere among OotP that Rita was a delusional too, and in HBP that Mad-Eye was too. (come and join the Harmonian party, then! And have a slice of pumpkin pie)

"I think I read somewhere among OotP that Rita was a delusional too, and in HBP that Mad-Eye was too. (come and join the Harmonian party, then! And have a slice of pumpkin pie)"

I know! It's like the entire world is delusional sometimes! Like the reporter who asked if HHR was finally gunna happen--and then there's how much the audiences at the movie theaters love the HHR interaction--everyone at some point enjoys HHR. Even the herons must on some level appreciate it. Seriously-- delsuional is the way to go. Because most people who "are delusional" turn out to be not delusional! Like Luna! Like Copernicus!

By the way _supergirl--your avatar is awesome!

Here's another one of my favorite moments. (Although, I think it's probably been mentioned, but I can't remember exactly...)

In the sixth book, it's brought to light that Hermione is going to Slughorn's party with McClaggen, and someone (I can't remember who) asks her why she's going with him. Her response is that she only goes out with "really good Quidditch players." Now, question: Who was the youngest Quidditch player in a century in their first year? Who is claimed to be better than Charlie Weasley, who according to Wood was good enough to be on the England National team if he hadn't gone off to study dragons? I may be reading too much into this, but.....

"really good Quidditch players"

Well if you're looking too much into it we all are I'm afraid... And notice how it's something Harry pays attention to, not something he hears in passing.

You know how many times Harry's been hit on the head, dragons, giants, and the like--you think he would've realized ONCE how in love with Hermione he is!

Not only that but I've heard non shippers say that when they read that scene it screamed of Hermione referring to Harry with that statement.

Or more like how Hermione is in love with him. XD

Our minds may have gone to the same place, _supergirl. Mine connected the quote about being delusional with the IOD/IOS and JKR's statement for us to go re-read just after we were called delusional.

Oh, does that ever spell trouble for those hallucinatory Herons.

Is like when you're reading any other book or magazine or listening to a song and you hear/read "delusional" .......... OMG! And from then on that book/magazine/song becomes Harmonian

But, it can't be no coincidence Rita is called a delusional...


BTW, thanks! I saw it on the Dumbledore's Army site, and I loved it because Emma and Dan were together






Oh :runs and hides: .. get out my head!!


That's why Delusional is such a beautiful word

Okay, I've found yet another one...well, sort of...

In HBP, Harry (FINALLY) breaks up with Ginny in the chapter entitled "The White Tomb." Anyway, this bit of conversation, I just love:

QUOTE

"I never really gave up on you," [Ginny] said. "Not really. I always hoped... Hermione told me to get on with life, maybe go out with some other people, relax a bit around you, because I never used to be able to talk if you were in the room, remember? And she thought you might take a bit more notice if I was a bit more - myself."

"Smart girl, that Hermione," Harry said...

Okay, what I love is how right there - right smack dab in the middle of breaking up with Ginny - Harry outright compliments Hermione! That's just great! He could have just smiled and went on with his sentence, and it wouldn't have changed a thing. But he compliments Hermione before going on with his "Oh, we could have had longer" speech .

The moment those two (H/Hr, of course) wise up and realize they're meant for each other will be absolutely wonderful!

I can't see any reason for JKR to outright mention Hermione's name in the break up scene (I mean we know it's ron and hermione don't we ), why just not have Ginny say 'I thought...' instead of 'Hermione thought I should' and why have Harry unncessarily compliment Hermione, unless...

the two are meant to realize their undying love for each other in the final battle against voldemort. and even though I'm joking in that last line I'm really not.

Hermione's name pops up in both of Harry's break up scenes, and Harry ends up complimenting her. I hope that's hinting something.

that is soooo true! yeah why would jkr have to always include hermione during harry's break up scenes!

oh another subtle moment i like is in my siggy. sorry if it has already been posted but i just love it a lot because someone forwarded a text quote to me (which is also in my sig) which i feel is so related to that scene! SO HARMONIAN!

"Hermione's name pops up in both of Harry's break up scenes, and Harry ends up complimenting her. I hope that's hinting something."

You're right! It never occured to me that it popped up in both; I always looked at them both seperatly but come on JKR WHY put hermione's name there without reason?? There's the one that's usually in my singnature (when it's working properly):

'I thought it was a brilliant idea--
"well of course--if it was darling Hermione's idea''

and

"smart girl--that Hermione."

Okay, both times Hermione's brains are displayed but look at the difference, before it was the idea Harry defended but in HBP he specifically shows affection for HER, and not only that but Ron's whole 'Hermione you're a girl' thing seems to have finally gotten into Harry's head.

By the way harmony_inlove I LOVE that part of OoTP!!

If I had a dollar for every time Hermione's name came up in a conversation between Harry and another person, I'd be set! Seriously, she comes up in convos with Luna, Hagrid, McGonagall, Krum, Dumbledore, Slughorn, Giiny, Ron, etc. Even when she's not in the room, in the area, heck, not even in the wizarding world!

She's always there, always on Harry's mind. We notice it, we see it, we love it ... man, it'll be nice when Harry does too.

i popped the POA dvd into the player again and caught something... well, i don't know if this should be here, but, well...

the DA class in which snape takes over for lupin, he kept saying 'page 394' so, i checked page 394 in the US POA book and...

it's the time turner scene... and on the next page, H/Hr in the broom closet...

If that was put there for that reason it'd be one hell of a slice of pumpkin pie

I was reading the thread when something struck me about the Rita interview scene. When Rita threatens Hermione (one of these days I'm gonna...etc) why does Hermione bring up the love triangle articles. Hermione has ruined Rita's life and if that was me I'd have expected her to say she'd kill me/curse me etc, not write stories about me. Funny thing for Hermione to bring up just when Harry's had love troubles with Cho? Subtle some?

Actually the scene in the book where Snape teaches Lupin's class does have Snape actually saying "Page 394," which is probably the reason behind that particular movie quote. It's a nice coincidence, though.

I've been re-reading HBP, and when Harry goes to The Burrow over the summer, he says that they played two on two quidditch a lot, and the teams were Harry/Hermione verses Ron/Ginny. The reasoning behind this was that neither Hermione nor Ron were very good, so it evened out the talent on the teams, but wouldn't most people, especially at that age, want to play boys against girls (which still would have taken care of the talent problem), just so that one gender could lord it over the other? I mean, both Ginny and Hermione definitely believe that girls are just as good as boys no matter what, and the boys would certainly want to be one up on the girls. I'm thinking that Harry and Hermione were paired for a reason...

Now i dont usually find shippy moments in PS/SS, because its so early in the series, but I was reading it last night and two new ones jumped out at me.

First is the chapter just after Harry beats Slytherin at Quidditch. Forgetting Hermione's manic harry fanloving at the match theres a quote from her on the next page where she moans about not revising long enough, saying she should have started a month ago and doesnt know what's gotten into her. Now the chapter states it is several weeks since the Quidditch match and maybe its just my Harmony-tinted specs but Hermione cant focus for a month after her emotional outburst for Harry at the match. I liked that.

Second is after they dispose of Norbert. They're so wrapped up in each other they forget the invisibility cloak. The way they were talking reminded me of the HBP scene where they leave the library talking about Filch and Pince.

Just thought I'd share

I'm re-reading parts of OoTP in advance of the film coming in two months and noticed some moments during the chapter "Seen and Unforseen" after the interview comes out in The Quibbler and public opinion turns to Harry's favor.

What's interesting is both Hermione and Cho are described as breathing at Harry, on successive pages.

Cho breathes in his ear (something that Hermione has also done) and apologizes to him while Hermione breathes that Umbridge's banning of the newspaper will ensure that everyone will read it.

Hermione's eyes are also described as "shining" during one moment. She must be really joyful if she's about to cry.

It's so obvious to me that descriptions like this show that Hermione loves doing things to help Harry and over the moon when her plan succeeds.

Have you ever seen her behave that way over helping Ron? Herons would argue that Ron’s problems aren’t as big as Harry’s. Still, if Hermione had feelings for Ron, she would pay more attention to him and make his problems her priority.

I contrast this with the confounding scene in HBP, where Hermione is supposedly doing this for Ron’s benefit (I think she did it for the good of the team, as she explained) where Hermione is amused by Ron’s reaction to beating McLaggen.

She looks pleased, but no shining eyes here or breathless excitement.

she did that?!?! *goes to check PS*

Me too! Good find!

Dunno if this counts as a subtle moment--it's more a strung together moment.

Remember Hermione's boggart--

McGonagull said she'd failed everything...

Ron laughed at her, because think about it he's afraid of spiders (well death by spiders) and she's afraid of a report card, yet if you look deeper well, Ron's afraid of death, Harry's afraid of fear and Hermione's afraid of failure. Not school failure, but failing in general, and all Hermione's HBP actions (the ones that seem to us like she's denying her feelings for Harry and going after Ron) were almost directly because she believed herself to have failed Harry in the DoM (by nearly dying) and had failed Harry by letting him go rescue Sirius when she *knew* no one would be there save those orchestrating the trap.

I think Hermione's biggest fear is one of the hints into the future of Harry and Hermione's relationship. Harry let fear stop his character's growth and regress just as Hermione's fear did for her. But now that they're gunna' be back to normal again...

Oooh, I like this theory! Awesome job. I unfortunately, don't have my HP books on me, so I can't look up my own subtle moments

I couldn't help but join this thread, reading you saying chest monster replacing Hermione's voice in his head. Now, that's not possible is it? Her voice is in his *head*, chest monster is in his chest. and not in his heart. I don't remember JKR ever wrote "heart", even though it'd be changing just one word. Ah, but yes, heart is not a place for monsters. Chests are, and maybe places below waist in case of teenagers.

So, Hermione's voice is still in his head. That's certain.

btw, i looked up the definition of "subtle":
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
sub·tle –adjective, -tler, -tlest.
1. thin, tenuous, or rarefied, as a fluid or an odor.
2. fine or delicate in meaning or intent; difficult to perceive or understand: subtle irony.
3. delicate or faint and mysterious: a subtle smile.
4. requiring mental acuteness, penetration, or discernment: a subtle philosophy.
5. characterized by mental acuteness or penetration: a subtle understanding.
6. cunning, wily, or crafty: a subtle liar.
7. insidious in operation: subtle poison.
8. skillful, clever, or ingenious: a subtle painter.

bolding mine. So, does that mean we harmonians meet this "required mental acuteness"?

S.

I've been reading this thread from the beginning for the last 4 days. Now that i've reached the recent posts, here is something i'm positive none has mentioned. I don't know how subtle this is, still...

On the first page of Quidditch Through The Ages, the book supposedly taken on loan from Hogwarts Library, both Hermione's and Harry's name is on the list. Actually Hermione has returned in on 2nd March and Harry apparently read it right after her and returned in nine days later, on 11th March. We don't exactly now which year they are, but i checked the publish-dates of books. Quidditch Through The Ages was published in 2001, that falls between CoS and PoA. Correct me if i'm wrong. So, we can presume they read this book on their second year or first. I'm betting first year because of two things. First, on March in second year, Hermione was quite unable to read anything since she was lying rock solid on a bed. Second, i don't think Hermione would wait one long year to learn what there is on Quidditch. I also like to think that she recommended the book to Harry, or maybe convinced him to read it (not that he'd need convincing on that since he was just as eager to learn about this whole new magical world). That explains why he read it right after her. Also note please, Ron's name isn't on that list. Fred, yes, Millicent, yes, but Ron, no. (And please, could someone help with the timeframe on this. What happened on March in the first year? When did Harry start playing the Seeker? Do they coincide?)

So, jumping forward in time, would Hermione really embarrass herself talking about Quidditch? Does she have to play it, and excel in it, to have a right to talk about Quidditch? Who would indeed be more embarrassed?

Also, i'd be happy if anyone could provide the scribbles on Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, a book Harry had to share with Ron since his got in pieces. I've a translated edition, that's why i'm asking. Ron and Hermione are "once again" bickering, with written words this time, on Harry's book no less. The only other scribble Hermione has on that book is a nice comment on the author's name. She wouldn't want to desecrate any book. Bless her heart.

I'm aware these are not blazing moments, but they are there. If you think i've overdone it, well thank you, i'd like to keep over-analyzing.

S.

Ha! I really want to go buy those books now! Interesting find, but I think there may be a timeframe error though. Wasn't Harry and Hermione's first year 1991?

The dates for QttA and FB are not to be trusted; according to those, Dumbledore survived Half-Blood Prince, and we know that's not true. However, I did notice Harry and Hermione on that list, and it matches up what Book 1 says (that Hermione let Harry borrow QttA, "a very interesting read").

A scene I really like, and could be seen as a subtle H/Hr moment if you squint at it just right, is the scene where the trio gets their OWL results, and Hermione is hiding her results from them. Why? Because Hermione, top student of the DA, only got an Exceeds Expectations in her DADA OWL, making Defense her worst subject. What happened? I wouldn't be surprised if her PoA experience repeated itself, and during her OWL examination, her boggart was so frightening to her (failure, Harry's death, take your pick) that she couldn't defeat it.

The scene reminded me irresistibly of the OOTP scene where Harry doesn't want to look at Hermione, since he did not get the prefect badge.

I made my assumption based on the publication dates. PS was published in 1997, CoS in 1999, QttA in 2001, and then PoA in 2004. As both QttA and FB were published in 2001, again i assume, DD has signed them when our heroes were in their second year. Before his decease.

As for the moment you mentioned, i proudly confess that the same idea went through my mind. And we are not alone. Very recently in the fic called "Their Way", the author also explains how Hermione got and E instead of an O. I don't want to spoil in case you haven't read, but i strongly recommend. It is definitely "a very interesting read".

S.

With her not wanting to tell her results on the DADA exam also reminds me of the time in OotP when Harry gets a "D" on a potions essay and he has this whole huge spiel about not wanting to let Hermione know how badly he did on it. Even two pages later it says:

QUOTE

"Harry laughed again, though he was not sure whether or not George was joking. He imagined trying to conceal from Hermione that he had received all T's in his O.W.L.s and immediately resolved to work harder from now on."

(Bolding mine.)

Now that's the type of re-reading me likes.

One of my favorites (and no doubt it's been mentioned in this thread) is in OotP after the trial, when Harry "wonders what Hermione would think" and dumps his entire bag of galleons into the fountain

Here is a subtle momment from HPB that I just came across.



Harry doesn't know what courses Ron is taking.
Ron doesn't know what courses Harry is taking.
Ron doesn't know what courses Hermione is taking but Harry does and the interesting thing is RON knows that Harry will know.

Maybe this is TOO subtle.

Sweet Merlin! This could be the king of all the subtle moments. Thank you so much for reminding us. I could have read it a dozen times and not noticed it. Particularly Ron knowing Harry knows part. Would that mean Ron is Harmonian vs Harry is a Heron? Could this be the very way JKR herself wanted us to think?

As for this being *too* subtle... Let's just say that i hope it was meant only for very astute, very perceptive, very sharp readers. (I'm obviously biased here.)

S.

Ooh, I almost forgot about this quote. Yeah, my favorite part of that quote is that Harry knows about Hermione's schedule. As for Ron knowing, I think he's had suspicions of H+Hr before. And some of it's shown in HBP.

Now that's the kind of subtle moment I like! I'd never noticed that before! Good find! As for it being too subtle, I don't think so...Ron knows that Harry pays enough attention to their mutual best friend for him to know what her schedule is. And wouldn't it be another subtle moment that Harry actually knows what Hermione's schedule is? I mean, I don't know what my best friend's schedule is.....

Ron is clearly a Harmonian throughout most of HBP.

In fact, it could explain the whole Lav Lav thing a bit more..Ron thinks Hermione likes Harry, so he wouldn't be hurting her by dating Lav Lav, just wanting to get a little "action" himself..

I've just remembered another thing from the PoA movie. It's been a while since i've read the book, so please if someone could provide the lines here (if there are any corresponding this scene, that is) i'd very happy.

In Hogsmeade, after Harry scares Malfoy and his goons away, he screams and goes off to sit on a rock and cries. (Dan should have done a better job, there) Anyway, Hermione and Ron follow him, but stop for a second. Hermione moves forward, but Ron catches her arm, trying to stop her, as if to tell her to let Harry alone. But she pulls her arm away, rather quickly, and goes to Harry. We know what follows.

Is there anything close to this in the book? I couldn't remember. This could be another of those movie moments that Cuaron has given us. (Bless him)

S.

(Ootp, US Version pg 102)

Hermione's face was half concealed by a tea towel but Harry distinctly saw her throw a reproachful look at Mrs. Weasley at these words.

For some reason when I came upon this I instinctly thought to myself... Harry cares about how Hermione feels about the welfare of House elfs.. which brings me to the scene where he throws all the galleons in his bag/wallet into the fountain with the house elfs.

I know this probably isn't a subtle moment but I just thought it reminds me of something.

The movie took about three Hogsmeade visits from the book and compacted them into one to create their scene. The scene in the movie where Harry goes off to sit on a rock and cry did not happen at all in the book - sadly.

In the book, Hermione and Ron are with Harry when he learns about Sirius's supposed deception. They are all three in the Three Broomsticks, and they overhear several adults talking (McGonagall, Hagrid, Rosmerta, Fudge, and Flitwick - I think) about how Sirius had supposedly turned traitor to Lily and James. That scene ends with Ron and Hermione looking under the table (where Harry has...well, been hidden by Hermione when the adults came inside the pub). That also ends the chapter.

The next chapter begins with Harry doing a lot of thinking on Harry's part and eventually does lead to a discussion between the "Trio" (Yeah, yeah, I know that's not how they think of themselves, but it gets the job done...). In the discussion scene in the book, it's actually Hermione who is crying, and Ron doing the yelling. Harry's being quite feirce and hating Sirius with all his being, but he's neither yelling nor crying.

Although a nice H/Hr moment makes an appearance with Hermione begging Harry not to do anything rash, like go after Sirius, because it's dangerous.

Hope that helps.

Indeed it does. Thank you.

This may not be a subtle moment. I'd call it rather a "classic" trio moment, where they act just as they should. Harry is about to rush into something, Hermione is again worried about him, Ron's yelling (what was he saying, anyway?). Harry being shoved under the table.... I bet that would have been "less uncomfortable" than it should be, if only Harry could have woken up and smelled the butterbeer, that is. My wishful thinking... But of course, everyone was pretty caught up with life-death matters. That situation wasn't about butterbeers.

I need chocolate. It helps all the time.

S.

I love the whole cloak/snow scene from PoA It's just so cute. Isn't the fact that they keep putting H/Hr into the movies where it never was in the books a little suspicious in and of itself?

Mine would have to be in HBP when Harry learns he is quidditch captain, and Hermione tells him he can use the prefects bathroom too. Hint,Hint.

LOL!

That is hilarious. I'm sorry, that one actually had me laughing.

I think my favorite subtle H/Hr moment that could be taken completely out of context is the one from PoA:

"'In here!' Hermione seized Harry's arm and dragged him across the hall to the door of a broom closet; she opened it, pushed him inside among the buckets and mops, then slammed the door behind them."

And I don't know if this counts, but I picked it up in OotP:

"After several more minutes had passed, however, Harry was not the only one watching Hermione."

Or these from CoS:

"Harry, who was feeling distinctly hot in the face, said, 'Whatever you've heard about my greatness is a load of rubbish. I'm not even top of my year at Hogwarts; that's Hermione, she -' But he stopped quickly, because thinking about Hermione was painful."

".....but Hermione and Millicent Bulstrode were still moving; Millicent had Hermione in a headlock and Hermione was whimpering in pain; both their wands lay forgotten on the floor. Harry leapt forward and pulled Millicent off. It was difficult: She was a lot bigger than he was."

"But Harry could tell from the arrested look on Hermione's face that she was thinking what he was thinking."

And then this one from GoF:

"'Hermione,' Harry said, through gritted teeth, 'will you shut up for a bit, please? I'm trying to concentrate.' But all that happened when Hermione fell silent, was that Harry's brain filled with a sort of blank buzzing, which didn't seem to allow room for concentration."

Oh I know! Were you planning something, Hermione dear?

Didn't notice that one, thanks.

I like that one Btw, I love the banner in your sig!