I know--I always thought it was a really cute Harry-cares-for-Hermione moment...it's awesome how protective he was of her at so young an age.

There's this scene in PS/SS that I love. It's at the second Quidditch match.


I just love the fact that all eyes are on Harry.

She doesn't even notice Ron who's getting hurt fighting Malfoy, a lot of love there, eh?

It's moments like this that restore my faith in this wonderful ship.

EDIT: Not exactly subtle, but whatever. It's still an awesome scene.

oh but it *is* subtle indeed. You see, this is one the instances that JKR leaves Harry's POV for a moment and depicts something else happening for the reader. And so early on the books. I guess you'd all agree that Harry couldn't possibly notice all of that, i mean he could have seen Hermione leaping onto her seat but, noticing her not noticing Malfoy and Ron along with Neville, Crabbe and Goyle? While he's after the snitch? And how many people are we talking about here? Five boys, punching each other. And Hermione does not notice that. Either she has turned into a big sports-fan without our noticing, or she really has a hard time focusing on more than one thing at the same time. Curious...

Thank you for mentioning this moment.

S.

thanks

you're welcome! And I love the prefect bathroom quote from Hermione

I found an R/Hr exchange in OotP that bodes well for H/Hr in my opinion.

I don’t have the book on me but it occurs in the chapter after Fred and George leave Hogwarts and Ron is worried that Molly will blame him for his brothers’ deeds. (This must’ve happened a lot when he was little – I bet Fred and George got into all sorts of mischief and then blamed it on Ron.)

Hermione asks Ron why should she worry about him? I found this interesting because Hermione spends most of the book worrying about Harry. If Hermione is so in love with Ron, why doesn’t she seem to care when he’s upset?

It was a little sneaky JKR “compare and contrast” moment.

Oooh....good find! I unfortunatly, do not have my books on me either, so no moments from me right now.

Quotes from PoA:



So sweet. Joined together by a golden chain through space and time.

Then in the 6th book:



Wonder why Harry's so interested in Ron and Hermione's relationship.

Then again:



Lol, I like this. She's angry that Harry's choosing to listen to Ron instead of her, but that needn't be a moment. But it was romantic how, after Hermione left him, Harry was alone. The ankle-deep in snow just conjured up a very romantic scene too.

Oh, and Harry twice goes 'Hermione, can't you-' to which Hermione always replies angrily 'no'. What is he trying to say?

I like that it states Harry was expecting to see Hermione, because it just reinforces the whole point we've always made that Hermione only cares about Quidditch when Harry plays. He expects her support there because hes grown use to it I thinks which makes him more dependent on Hermione.

Nice finds!

Here's an uber subtle moment from OoTP:

that 'furry hermione' picture keeps cropping up in harry's head. which makes me feel that hermione has held a special place in harry's heart all the way from second year... he just doesn't know it yet.

that image comes up as one of his worst memories in, how many books? (im sorry, a little help please?) my point is, this memory was one of his worst until that day when she almost died at the ministry... get my drift? it's kinda hard to make sense of my overactive brain right now, so..

furry hermione was a sort of seed, and her NDE was kind of a... root?

It *is* odd that Harry hasn't thought back on what almost happened to Hermione at the Ministry.

well, i guess he had other things on his mind... or in his chest...

Chest? More like his pants...

Actually we don't know that. If i remember correctly, only because of Snape's probing into his mind during Occlumency lessons we do know that Hermione's prone petrified form is one of his worst memories. Or was it Hermione in cat fur?
I'd be grateful if someone could provide that bit.

My point is that, we haven't got an inside take on Harry's worst memories since Snape probed, and Hermione getting almost killed was after that. Since then, Harry made no mention about his memories. Or am i wrong? So, we don't know whether he is thinking about Hermione nearly dying. On a side note, while Ginny lying unconscious in the CoS was not among his worst memories by the time Snape took a look, after Harry got together with Ginny, this memory could have been moved from "normal bad" memories section to "worst -proceed with caution" memories section. We don't know that either.

Harry has seen a great deal of things that could be signed "worst" easily. In HBP and also at the end of OotP.

S.

That's not subtle, IMO - that's a clue. JKR rarely breaks out of Harry's point of view to show us what anyone else is doing or thinking unless it's important to the plot, e.g. Voldemort and Wormtail in chapter 1 of GOF, the Unbreakable Vow in chapter 2 of HBP. She's mostly done it in complete chapters so far, but IMO this little scene stands out for the fact that Harry doesn't know what's going on in the stands because he's flying around looking for the Snitch. So why bother to include this little scene unless it's somehow meaningful?

Hello. Umm, I'm new here? (*snorts* obviously *laughs*)

I wanted to make the first post in this thread because I've been watching this for a long time now and I just wanted to at least make my first post here in this thread. Is that alright?

I'll be doing some of PoA.

(Harry's Birthday - Letter from Hermione, PoA, American Ed, p. 11)

Dear Harry,

......I'm on holiday in France at the moment and I didn't know how I was going to send this to you - what if they'd opened it at customs? - but then Hedwig turned up! I think she wanted to make sure you got something for your birthday for a change.

The reason I thought about this, was because, I thought, of all people that Hedwig could go to to make sure he has a birthday present, it's Hermione. Usually, pets reflect the owner, right? Just like the fact that Harry gets along better with Crookshanks than Ron does (or probably, ever will).

(This is more anti-R/Hr)

"-and massive sherbet balls, that make you levitate a few inches off the ground while you're sucking them," said Ron, who was plainly not listening to a word Hermione was saying.

Hermione looked around at Harry.

"Won't it be nice to get out of school for a bit and explore Hogsmeade?"

Come on. Ron's not listening to Hermione. If he cared, he could at LEAST pretend to listen. And Hermione then turns her attention to Harry.

(...)

Harry threw himself into a chair beside Ron, his high spirits ebbing away. Hermione seemed to read his mind.

This explains itself I think.

(Quidditch Match)

"I've got no chance with these on," Harry said exasparatedly, waving his glasses.

At that very moment, Hermione appeared at his shoulder; she was holding her cloak over her head and was inexplicably, beaming.

"I've had an idea, Harry! Give me your glasses, quick!"

He handed them to her, and as the team watched in amazement, Hermione tapped them with her wand and said, "Impervius!"

"There!" she said, handing them back to Harry. "They'll repel water!"

I don't know if it's H/Hr, but I just like the fact that whenever Harry's having a spot of trouble, Hermione's there fast as lightning. And she was the only one that went down. Ron didn't. And Ron's the more quidditch-loving of the two (Ron and Hermione).

(After the match)

Hermione made a small, squeaky noise. Her eyes were extremely bloodshot.

Bloodshot hints at crying and extremely means a lot, so Hermione must've cried a hell of a lot when she knows Harry's hurt.

I think I've got a few more but that's as much as I want to post for now, I think.

That's one of my favorite subtle moments too, because Harry just unconciously compliments Hermione (as he has quite a habit of doing) even though it's because of Hermione that Ginny lays off her conquest for him.

Yay.

Okay, I've found another wonderful little moment between our two favorite characters. In the chapter "The Seer Overheard" in HBP, Harry rushes back to the common room to get his invisibility cloak right before leaving with Dumbledore. He also gives the Felix Felicis and the Marauders' Map to Hermione and Ron. The following conversation ensues:

QUOTE

[Harry instructs Ron and Hermione to watch the castle in his and DD's absence.]
"Harry-" began Hermione, her eyes huge with fear.
"I haven't got time to argue," said Harry curtly. "Take this as well-"
He thrust the socks into Ron's hands.
"Thanks," said Ron. "Er-why do I need socks?"
"You need what's wrapped in them, it's the Felix Felicis. Share it between yourselves and Ginny too. Say good-bye to her for me. I'd better go, Dumbledore's waiting-"
"No!" said Hermione, as Ron unwrapped the tiny little bottle of golden potion, looking awestruck. "We don't want it, you take it, who knows what you're going to be facing?"
"I'll be fine, I'll be with Dumbledore," said Harry. "I want to know you lot are okay.... Don't look like that, Hermione, I'll see you later...."

Here's what I see going on here. We have the very common interruption of sentences between Harry and Hermion, first off. They always seem to know what the other is thinking and going to say. Ron is, of course, clueless. ("Why do I need socks?") Hermione then demands that Harry take the potion because she's afraid for him. ("Eyes huge with fear," anyone?) Harry, predictably, tells her that he wants them to take it because he's safe with Dumbledore.

What I really like, though, is that last line by Harry: "Don't look like that, Hermione, I'll see you later." First note, that once again, Harry has read Hermione's look. Secondly, notice that there is no ellipsis between "Hermione" and "I'll," which tells me that he is trying to reassure her that he is going to be okay without the potion, not that he is just kinda sounding off before leaving. It was directly to Hermione. Saying "I'll see you later," implies that she had a look on her face that obviously told him she was afraid he would die while on the horocrux hunt with Dumbledore. It was not an "I'll be okay," or a "Bye," but rather "I'll see you later" - "I'll be back."

I could be taking it too far, but I love that moment.

I always loved how this went on...


Wood looked as though he could have kissed her.

"Brilliant!" he called hoarsely after her as she disappeared into the
crowd. "Okay, team, let's go for it!"

Hermione's spell had done the trick. Harry was still numb with cold,
still wetter than he'd ever been in his life, but he could see. Full of
fresh determination, he urged his broom through the turbulent air,
staring in every direction for the Snitch, avoiding a Bludger, ducking
beneath Diggory, who was streaking in the opposite direction....

So he could've kissed her, Harry, huh?
And Harry remembers that spell in a later book.

May i point out another thing people?



So Harry says good-bye to Ginny while he tells Ron and Hermione (especially to Hermione in person) that he will see them later. Does that mean he made his mind about breaking up with Ginny before Dumbledore was killed?

Of course there is the whole left-out communication between H and Hr, as stu14688 so cleverly explained, which is something that has been getting on my nerves lately. But that's JKR's way. *deep breaths, deep breaths* Hopefully in DH we'll see some major HHr teamwork and action.

Last, but not least, welcome circus_outcast. That is a great first post. Sums up the foundations why we ship H/Hr and why we don't believe in R/Hr. Thank you. You made really good points.

S.

Hehehe, nice find! Totally agree!

Me too! Great combing of the books! Argh, why can't DH just come out already?!

Its been a while since I've read OoTP and have forgotten how many H/Hr moments there are.

wallflower thank you for posting those great quotes from OoTP. I've always loved the Grawp chapter as it has so many wondeful H/HR moments. I love how they keep looking at each other and instinctively move together.

Apart from the fact that JKR intentionally writes everytime Harry and Hermione share a look, there is something i want to point out. But first take a look at these. I bolded Hermione's reactions regarding Grawp.






To this moment, we see that Hermione is, as JKR put it, "utterly terrified" of Grawp. I'll do a bit of speculation here and connect her experience with the mountain troll in her first year with her meeting with Grawp. Please sit back for a second and think about the possible repercussions of a Muggle-born little girl being cornered in a loo. Here was Hermione, who had never in her life seen anything like a troll, read about it somewhere possibly. But what you read in a book could be nothing like the real thing, especially if it is after you, rampaging around the loo like that. Just imagine the whole deal through Hermione's eyes. I assume she got her first near death experience right there. I guess her fear of that troll got ignited ten fold on her meeting Grawp. I also guess Grawp looks much more terrifying than a comparatively little mountain troll. Also please note that Hermione possibly froze there right then, because it was Harry who seized and pulled her back. And, on both occasions (the troll and Grawp), a certain black haired boy comes to the rescue. Talk about coincidences (yeah, right!)

And everytime Hermione is scared, Harry either notices (sideways/direct looks anyone?) or helps her (do i even need to explain?). This is a really important point, because we've been saying how Hermione was perceptive when it came to Harry, always noticing his moods, reading his mind (as JKR put it many times, so her words, not mine). Here is the proof that Harry is as much perceptive when it comes to Hermione too.
IMO, the best of these Harry "noticing" Hermione moments is this one, since this "noticing" goes a step forward with this one.



Hermione is known for having a knack for "correcting" Harry and Ron. She is not afraid, like Ron seems to be on many occasions, to contradict Harry when he's having one of his mood swings. She sets him right. (Please exclude HBP for the sake of the point i'm trying to make) This instance here is an example of Harry being the voice of reason for Hermione this time. He glares at her, and she realizes that no matter how scared she is of Grawp, she doesn't have it in her to be unfair. To Hagrid, to Grawp even. Her eyes get teary because of her shame. And the fact that Harry doesn't scold her, or say something like "you are wrong, you are being dishonest" speaks volumes. He knows, and says so, that she didn't mean that. She knows she didn't mean that, it was an outburst of anger that was her defence mechanism against her fear. She also knows he knows she didn't mean that. She wipes her eyes, once again angrily, and it's done. She is stil scared of Grawp, but she won't let that cloud her judgment anymore. Thanks to Harry, i might add. That's what friends are for, to set you right.

In HBP we witnessed how things could go to hell if you let go of your friends and their warnings. *sigh* Let's not go there. Thank you wallflower for reminding us these nice moments.

S.

Regardless of what happens next month we'll always, always have OoTP...and many of the grawp-moments are more powerful than anything we've seen thus far between ginny and harry or ron and hermione so I'm more than satisfied. HHr is the best relationship in the series with or without romance.

But without romance, what's the point of Harry helping Hermione to her feet and catching her? It's adorable. Ron wouldn't have caught her. Ron would've have caught ginny. Catching someone has a very romantic connotation, because of the whole 'falling in love/catching, etc' so why in a book that's nearly 1000 pages that her editors probably kept telling her to cut down, did that small tidbit need to be there? Hmmm?

By the way I liked the Grawp-quotes so much I changed my signature!

Hmmm. This reminds me of GoF, when Vernon did the exact same thing with Petunia "before she hit the floor" when the Weasleys blasted through the fireplace. Now, obviously the Dursleys are not nice people, but there's no denying that Vernon does love his wife. It's probably just coincidence, but I found the similarity in the quotes interesting all the same.



I bolded that part simply because the idea of Harry holding a shaking, terrified Hermione is beautifully romantic. There was a ton of romantic imagery between H/Hr in this chapter and I'm sure it wasn't all coincidence.

This has to be one of my favorite subtle moments between the two. It shows the fact that when Harry gets angry at Hermione, he doesn't have to scream at her to express his anger *coughRONcough*, because he can understand Hermione's emotions of distress and fear. Harry just want's everything to do with Hermione to be 'right' and happy, so that she can just be the herself that is his best friend.

Here was Hermione, who had never in her life seen anything like a troll, read about it somewhere possibly. But what you read in a book could be nothing like the real thing, especially if it is after you, rampaging around the loo like that. Just imagine the whole deal through Hermione's eyes. I assume she got her first near death experience right there. I guess her fear of that troll got ignited ten fold on her meeting Grawp.

All of that makes absolutely perfect sense, I have nothing to add on that score but wanted to ask you a question--do you think Grawp will be back?

Based on the pyramid theory book 1 is going to mirror 7 (I'm pretty sure you already know that though) but I was wondering if you think the troll's halloween parallel will be another grawp sequence. Did JKR ever confirm that we'd see our lovely HHR giant again? I guess we should add Grawp to the HHr shipper list, what'd you think?

I have ALWAYS gotten warm fuzzies when I've read this scene...love it!

here's something i noticed in HBP...

pg 378 (amercan version), ch. 18:



sounds quiet romantic if you read the bold parts

not exactly a "moment" since its kind of implied for Slughorn but still...

That would be really cute, but I think it's supposed to be Slughorn who had eyes for nobody but Harry (I wonder if Slughorn is a member of Harry's fanclub, he and Ginny would get along famously...)

after I read this I was like, it would be awesome if all of us (every H/Hr shipper that's member of PK) could go watch OotP together and just like cheer or something like that in every H/Hr moment, haha I dunno why it just occured to me, I just wanted to post this

That would be awesome...but that would be a REALLY big theater Cool idea, though...maybe they could show OotP in the Colleseum in Rome...

Lol! that would be awesome!
haha and we could be all screaming "awww" or "kiss her/him!" or in a Ginny scene "boooo!!!" haha that would be hilarious!




I'm rereading HBP and I just read this part today and it just made me think (my heart sank and it went straight down to my feet) that maybe, just maybe, Hermione was trying to make Ron jealous by saying all those beautiful things about Harry...

I read it at school and my friends were like "Scarlett! Are you ok? Talk to me!" that thought was sad...

I don't buy that even warped-and-ridiculous-HBP hermione would ever use Harry to make anyone feel jealous. I can see her using someone to make Ron or Harry feel jealous but never one directly to get a rise out of the other. That's not our hermione.

That's what I used as a consolation to keep myself from slamming my head on my science table... haha thanx for reasuring me about that

I can't remember the exact page number, but in the wizard duel chapter, Hermione grabs Harry's wand to unlock the door to Fluffy when Filch is about to catch her, Harry, Ron, and Neville after curfew. The spell works without a hitch, but earlier in the book Ollivander says the "wand picks the wizard." How come she can use it with no problems?

If you mean Sherbet Lemon's essay on mirroring books, i haven't finished it yet. I'm halfway through the first part. If the troll was a mirror, then we should have seen in in GoF too, but i don't remember it mentioned. Nonetheless that doesn't concern Grawp, it seems. Let's not forget that both sides of the war are on the look for allies. Hagrid contacted the giants on that purpose. Even if the giant herd(community?) is divided, Grawp looks like the most potential ally for the Order. In a full blown fight between good guys and bad guys, he could be tremendously helpful, consciously or unconsciously. As for Harry coming to the rescue, i leave that to JKR to test this theory a third time. It could be a setting where Hermione (with/sans Ron and Harry) fighting or getting caught in a fight with some odious creatures of the dark side, like werewolves, vampires, bad giants or the like. Say, Grawp makes an appearance, causing a stampede of sorts, which puts Hermione's life in danger. Harry (and/or Ron) then comes to the rescue. Total speculation of course. And maybe some action material for fanfiction.

I haven't read anywhere JKR saying anything about Grawp. I could be wrong, but since she didn't outrightly undermined it, Grawp could easily be in DH. Let's admit it, he could turn out to be a great plot device in a dire situation like that. Again, i leave that to JKR.


Grawp definitely is partial to Hermione, "Hermy" i mean . How did i make this out? Hagrid has been trying to teach him english for months now, to get Grawp to say his name right etc. He introduced Hermione as "Hermy" once, and here is Grawp remembering "Hermy" rightfully so, and asking her about "Hagger". For someone with peanut for a brain, he certainly is picky about keeping certain things in his mind. He also could have discerned that there is certain boy that is repeatedly next to her. He doesn't mean to hurt Hermione or Harry, but most certainly hurts centaurs without a second thought.



On a side note, off topic though, Grawp calling Hermione as "Hermy" and Hermione's subsequent indignation due to that seconds another idea of mine; Hermione doesn't like nicknames.

S.

Hmm...I saw this


Apart from Harry liking Crookshanks more than Ron, in book 4, when Ron and Harry were making up stuff for Divination...



Hm...Crookshanks looks at Harry I see. lol ^^

On a side note, I can't get why Ron doesn't like Crookshanks. He's so adorable!! I guess he DID chase after Ron's Scabbers. Which reminds me, Ron never did apologize to Hermione for accusing Crookshanks of eating Scabbers (which the poor innocent cat did not do) and constantly berating her for it.

I don't think Crookshanks likes Ron, and therefore Ron does not like Crookshanks. Though that cat does have an odd affection towards Harry.....strange

LOL this has always bothered me; it's sort of creepy isn't it? But then again, Crookshanks is Hermione's so I just told myself it goes well with my ship. Crookshanks totally reminds me of Solembum from Eragon, anyone agree?

Never read Eragon (yet...hopefully over the summer...) But I mean, if it were supposed to be R/Hr, wouldn't Crookshanks show an affinity for Ron rather than Harry?

Not if romance means hating each others' guts!
It's all part of the sexual tension.
It's gotta be consistent lol. Hermione doesn't get along with Ron, her cat shouldn't like him either. But..... percisely because of this fact..... we can deduce..... that they're soulmates.

Of course...the sexual tension...of course. And of course fighting and bickering lead to being soulmates! I see it all so clearly now! Isn't it obvious?!

*goes to retch in the nearest trash receptical* Ah, much better.

Yes, hexonjellybeans12, of course it's obvious! Haven't you been listening to ANYTHING the Herons have been saying for ten years???!!!

Of course! How could I have been so naiive! Of course Heron is *cough* not *cough* the perfect ship! I see it all so plainly now! *two EMT's run in and find an anvil lying on the ground to the left*

EMT: Dont' worry ma'am, we'll get you fixed up right away.
Me: But the anvils...isn't it obvious?
EMT: I need you to stay awake for me...
Me: The anvils!
(five minutes later, we arrived at Good Harmonian Hospital and I am patched up right quick)

Doctor: Now, let's test those reflexes. *Takes out an anvil*
Me: HMS Heron sucks! Harmony rules!
Doctor: Much better. *takes out a small tree*
Me: *whacks it to death with an axe*
Doctor: Very good. You are free to go.

Ah, much better....I can see clearly now, the anvils are gone!

I'm reading GoF right now (yes, for the first time ), and I keep finding subtle Harmony moments everywhere. Here's a sample:

• Hermione bringing a stack of toast from the Great Hall and asking Harry if he wants to go for a walk after his name comes out of the Goblet.
• Harry being willing to spend a lot of time in the library with Hermione while he's not on speaking terms with Ron (okay, maybe a bit TOO subtle).
• Harry reminding Hermione of how she helped him with the first task after Lee Jordan offered to help Harry with the egg.
• Harry being one of the few willing to believe that the "pretty" (in his words) girl with Krum at the Yule Ball is Hermione.
• Harry feeling guilty about lying to Hermione about the egg (okay, maybe too obvious).
• Harry writes to Sirius to tell him the date of the next Hogsmeade visit with Hermione's quill (again, maybe too subtle).
• Crookshanks curling up in Harry's lap when Hermione's not there (probably too subtle).

I thought the almost slow motion panaround in the movie was just awesome. I squeed really loud...I thought I might get kicked out of the theater