elephants_winterfresh
Aug 18 2003, 07:17 AM
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Did you guys notice in some of the books that "other" people notice that Hermione and Harry could have a thing for each other? I mean Cho gets Jealous, Krum says "Hermione talks about you alot" and Rita and Colin mention "Harry is always seen with a very pretty muggle-born" Hmmmm maybe other people spot that there perfect for each other before they do.

Someone probaly already put something like this up before but I just want to mention it.
karenkate_kitty
Aug 18 2003, 08:07 AM
Yup I think this was already posted somewhere... you're right this is a good basis. I mean other people can already see the chemistry between them
Sirius83
Aug 18 2003, 08:25 AM
Yeah, i noticed that a good while ago. A list of people who see Harry and Hermione as a couple or potential couple, based on thier actions and words:
Minerva McGonagall
Molly Weasley
Viktor Krum
Cho Chang
Draco malfoy
Ron Weasley
Not exactly a tiny list...and in the cases of Cho and Krum, this was done to be very obvious.
sunshinebelle
Aug 18 2003, 08:42 AM
I most definetly agree! Thats one of our stronger arguments.
If so many different people see it, then there must be something to base their assumptions on..
for one thing, there would have to be something going on there subconciously that H/Hr dont realize, for so many people to think that!
And another thing, I dont think JKR would have made it so obvious that so many people think that H/Hr like each other/are going out in the book.. if she wanted to discourage the relationship then she shouldn't have put it in there, and put her and Ron or something...
Hmm.. I think im onto something.
~*Amanda
karenkate_kitty
Aug 18 2003, 09:01 AM
and look mcgonagoll is like a very high figure in hogwarts she isn't mental like what those other ships say that only silly people like rita spot the H/Hr possiblility
Sirius83
Aug 18 2003, 09:26 AM
How could i forget Rita! And Colin...
So now we have:
Minerva McGonagall
Rita Skeeter
Molly Weasley
Cho Chang
Viktor Krum
Ronald Weasley
Draco Malfoy
Colin Creevey
Note especially:
McGonagall, who sees these kids on an everyday basis
Ron, member of the trio with Harry and Hermione
Colin, Mr. Fanboy himself who chases after Harry with a camera
Rita, a reporter who will always have to base her wild stories off a fact
Molly who has had these kids in her home and treats them as her own
Krum, who was/is interested in Hermione and saw Harry as a competitor
Cho, who was interested in Harry and saw Hermione as a competitor...
What is most interesting is how JKR had both Harry and Hermione's initial love interests see each other as a threat. "Hermy-own-ninny talks about you very often" and "Darling Hermione" - interesting, no?
sunshinebelle
Aug 18 2003, 10:06 AM
Very interesting!
Like I said before, I think we're onto something!
~*Amanda
liddlevietgurl
Aug 18 2003, 10:56 AM
I just think it's interesting how a lot of characters see something in H/Hr, which is less obvious to fans. None of the characters seem to see anything between R/Hr and that's the more "obvious" ship to fans.
pnkrkprincess91
Aug 18 2003, 11:28 AM
Thank you! I posted this thought in another forum AGES ago, and finally somebody else caught on! I wonder how the R/Hr shippers could counter this. I mean, karenkate_kitty is 100% right- McGonagall isn't out of it and is completly capable. And what characters have ever thought that Ron and Hermione had potiental? All I've heard is H/Hr... nice find and let's spread this around!
AML
~*kt*~
Seraph
Aug 18 2003, 11:38 AM
| QUOTE |
So now we have:
Minerva McGonagall Rita Skeeter Molly Weasley Cho Chang Viktor Krum Ronald Weasley Draco Malfoy Colin Creevey |
okay, besides krum and cho, how do the rest of these people really notice? i mean, can anyone give any direct quotes from the books? if it's not too much trouble.
-Seraph out
the_dog_star
Aug 18 2003, 11:58 AM
| QUOTE |
So now we have:
Minerva McGonagall Rita Skeeter Molly Weasley Cho Chang Viktor Krum Ronald Weasley Draco Malfoy Colin Creevey |
Don't forget Mad-Eye Moody/Crouch, and Ginny Weasley.
I can't give you an exact quote for them, but I can tell you why I think so.
Mad-Eye Moody/Crouch- he complimented Harry and Hermione about being Aurors someday.
Ginny Weasley- When Hermione got Harry from out of Buckbeak's room in OotP, she told him that Ron and
Ginny had been telling
her that he's been isolating himself a lot lately. Now, I think this proves that both Ron and Ginny think only Hermione can talk Harry out of that room, and predictably, she did

For Minerva McGonagall, in CoS, she told Harry to come with her [she was going to show him that Hermione had been petrified] and only when she saw Ron, did she say something along the lines of 'Perhaps you should come, too, Mr Weasley.'
I forgot about everyone else [except Skeeter, Cho, Krum, and Colin]
~the dog star
Sirius83
Aug 18 2003, 12:19 PM
Alright, let's take it from the top.
Minerva McGonagall - When Hermione is petrified, only really goes looking for Harry initially. She is also the one who gets teary eyed when Harry says they were tyring to visit Hermione in the hospital wing. OOTP: At leats you listen to Hermione Granger. Little things like that, but mostly how she only saw it fit to find Harry when Hermione was petrified.
Rita Skeeter - All those articles she wrote.
Molly Weasley - No mention of any reaction from her when Rita's articles first came out. Almost as if she thought the same herself. Only got angry when she thought Hermione was toying with Harry's heart.
Cho Chang - Self explanatory, the entire darling Hermione ordeal and all that...
Viktor Krum - Self explanatory, "Vat is there between you and Hermy-own-ninny" and all that...
Ronald Weasley - "You haven't have you?" when taling about hermione messing with love potions, but more importnatly, in OOTP when hermione said Harry wasn't a bad kisser, Ron's reaction...it was "How do you know?" as if he was a bit angry at it, but not surprised or shocked to hear it. It was believable to him. Additionally, seemingly pushing Ginny towards Harry at the end of OOTP - does he see Harry as an obstacle to R/Hr? Seems that way.
Draco Malfoy - Back in COS, the whole bit about Harry going around with Hermione. This was with who he thought were Crabbe and Goyle, he was being serious, not teasing like when you run into the trio. Additonally in OOTP, his "I seem to have touched a nerve" when Hermione snapped at him atfer teasing Harry about not becoming prefect.
Colin Creevey - The one who tipped Rita off while she was looking for something to write.
They're all on different levels of course, but they can all be chalked up to seeing H/Hr to some degree.
mexican girl
Aug 18 2003, 12:52 PM
I had noticed about Krum, Cho and Rita, but no one else......
Have you noticed that ni the latest books Harry and Hermione are the ones with the adventures???? Ron is almost always some where else......
Sirius83
Aug 18 2003, 01:01 PM
Yep. JKR's been giving Harry and Hermione more one on one time. Somehow, i doubt it's so another girl becomes more important to Harry than Hermione.
the_dog_star
Aug 18 2003, 01:13 PM
Honestly and neutrally [feh, as if THAT'S ever gonna happen, but let me try

] speaking, I don't think anyone will ever live up to Hermione in Harry's eyes. Even is he doesn't end up with her [

], there is no girl alive [in canon, now and/or in the future] that can beat Hermione. She's set the bars up pretty high. Firstly, Harry's known her at least 5 years more than any other girl. Secondly, Harry's shared far too much with Hermione... life threatening situations and all.
We can see an example in OotP:
Harry has special feelings for Cho Chang, correct? Now, let's see what he does after Cho Chang insults Hermione:
| QUOTE |
'That was a really horrible trick of Hermione Granger's,' said Cho fiercely 'She should have told us she'd jinxed that list-' 'I think it was a brilliant idea,' said Harry coldly. Cho flushed and her eyes grew brighter. 'Oh yes, I forgot- of course, if it was darling Hermione's idea-' 'Don't start crying again,' said Harry warningly. 'I wasn't going to!' she shouted. |
First, I REALLY don't appreciate Cho's way naming Hermione. Why 'Hermione Granger'? Hadn't she just spent months learning curses and counter curses with her? Hadn't she used that time to call Hermione on a first-name basis? *makes violent gesture to Cho* At least Hermione called Cho by her first name...
Secondly, I agree with Harry. It WAS a brilliant idea. Why should Hermione tell them that it was jinxed? What, so people who would rat the D.A out get nothing coming? Gah, I really hate Cho right about now. What's worse, though, is that my brother is only 3/4 of the way in OotP, so he doesn't know what a nasty little female dog Cho is, and still pairs him up with Harry >.<
Anyway, like I said, I don't think anyone will ever live up to Hermione in Harry's eyes. She's just far too special in his eyes... and heart

~the dog star
elephants_winterfresh
Aug 18 2003, 03:13 PM

[COLOR=orange]Oh and I just noticed something too.
I noticed that when Cho said "'Oh yes, I forgot- of course, if it was darling Hermione's idea-'"
Harry CHANGED THE SUBJECT.
'Don't start crying again,' said Harry warningly.
See? Maybe he didn't want to admit he did like Hermione. Eh?
Kalie
Aug 18 2003, 03:16 PM
Was there really an "-" at the end of that sentence? If so, then JKR is trying to hide or cover-up for something. Everytime there is an interruption( in this case the "-" )then JKR may be hiding something.
liddlevietgurl
Aug 18 2003, 03:22 PM
Yes, there was a "--" at the end of the sentence
| QUOTE |
"Oh yes, I forgot - of course, if it was darling Hermione's idea-" "Don't start crying again," said Harry warningly. |
I think the "--" was there because as soon as Cho mentioned Hermione and started to get jealous again, Harry jumped to Hermione's defense right away and cut in Cho's sentence. Very cute
elephants_winterfresh
Aug 18 2003, 03:28 PM
Yup. VERY, VERY CUTE. He could of said something like "Hermione, RIGHT,anyway" But instead changed the subject.
Most likely thinking at the moment, "I'm gonna kiss Hermione when I'm talking to this ugly Cho girl" Hey! Maybe I could happen.
dreamin_athena
Aug 18 2003, 03:44 PM
Yeah, I think that the fact that both Cho and Krum were jealous of Hermione and Harry are a big clue! I mean where is Ron? Who's jealous of him? I think the fact that both Harry and Hermione had failed relationships before, definetely signals something.
Serendipity
Aug 18 2003, 03:46 PM
Indeed, Cho was extremely jealous of Hermione, and so was Victor, before he confronted Harry and Harry assured him that he hasn't kissed Hermione.
Hmm...another thing, I actually think Snape sees the tension between the Trio. In GoF, after Snape read the article in front of the class, he separated the trio so they could "keep their heads on Potions, instead of their tangled love lives." But he separated all three of them. I could see him separating Harry and Hermione, but separating Ron and Hermione was unnecessary unless he noticed Ron's petty little crush on Hermione. Furthermore, what was the deal in separating Ron and Harry? You don't think that Snape thinks that Harry and Ron...
Oh Goodness, I hope not.
dreamin_athena
Aug 18 2003, 04:02 PM
I hope not too. Hehe, wow, I never really thought into why he separated all 3 of them, but I think I agree with you that he might see Ron's crush on Hermione.
Elegant_Hermione
Aug 18 2003, 05:11 PM
This is just a guess, but maybe Snape separated the boys because he didn't want Ron bringing up something about the articles and starting an argument with Harry.
sunshinebelle
Aug 18 2003, 05:30 PM
Brilliant thoughts everyone!!!
Pumpkineers are so smart!
PUMPKIN PIE FOR EVERYONE!!!
I do, also believe that if JK Rowling wasnt putting Harry and Hermione together maybe in the end-- she wouldn't have added all that 'you like Hermione' stuff from everyone... and I mean EVERYONE!!! Lots of people seem to think they're together! And they keep bringing it up! If JK Rowling wasnt going to put them together, then all this needen't be relevant and she probably wouldnt have thought it up..
hmm I suck at putting it into words. Anyone want to agree with me and elaborate?
~*Amanda
Sirius83
Aug 18 2003, 05:33 PM
The good old theory of interruptions strikes again!
If not for the interruption, i do wonder what Cho would have continued to say, and what Harry's response would have been. Interesting scene, to say the least.
sunshinebelle
Aug 18 2003, 05:36 PM
| QUOTE |
The good old theory of interruptions strikes again!
If not for the interruption, i do wonder what Cho would have continued to say, and what Harry's response would have been. Interesting scene, to say the least. |
Maybe he interrupted her, because he feared that she was right, and didn't want her to elaborate anymore. He got uncomfortable talking about it, so quickly changed the subject!
Hmm just a thought. *shrugs*
~*Amanda
potter_head
Aug 19 2003, 12:29 AM
Muahahahhah! I'm in an evil mood

Muahahhahah!
Well, anyway, that aside, I believe that with so many people in
canon believe that H/Hr will happen, that should be enough evidence for meEeEE! (I'm hyper... dont mind me

) and for everyone else toOOoOO!

hahahhahah! Sorry...
karenkate_kitty
Aug 20 2003, 06:26 AM
I guess the thing is No girl can level up to Hermione for Harry. and any guy who would want to be with Hermione has to be better than Harry and even Krum didn't pass that criteria.... if they find some other people to date .. those people would have a hell of hard time competing with those Harry and Hermione standards.... SO they basically should get together because they are just the right kind for each other.....
Seraph
Aug 24 2003, 06:53 PM
Merging this with the "list" thread mentioned below ~gal-texterhey guys, Seraph here. i just remembered reading somewhere that there was a list of people who kind of saw harry and hermione's close relationship, but i don't remember where it is on this forum.

so, does anyone have any idea which characters realize h/hr in the books? and where in the books was there any evidence of such? i know there's the obvious observations by Colin, Krum, and Cho, but did anyone else notice as well?
hope you guys can give me some feedback!
-Seraph out
En Shu
Aug 24 2003, 06:55 PM
I can't remember anything correctly, but I do think I recall something about Sirus saying Harry and Hermione reminded him of Lily and James, or something. But that could have been fanfiction!
marshmallow33
Aug 24 2003, 06:58 PM
I think McGonagall, Rita,and Ron started to realise too
Marshmallow
Seraph
Aug 24 2003, 06:59 PM
cool, but where in the books did McGonagall and Ron notice h/hr?
En Shu
Aug 24 2003, 07:00 PM
And maybe Bumblebee!
And if you don't know who "Bumblebee is... just take a wild guess. You'll get it after a few.
sunshinebelle
Aug 24 2003, 07:02 PM
Theres a whole thread about McGonagall... if you look for it, its the only one with her name in the title.. it should be on this page, or on the next 2... at the latest.
And im not sure about Ron.. someone will tell you though!!
~*Amanda
marshmallow33
Aug 24 2003, 07:12 PM
I think ron is starting to catch on about H/Hr in the post kiss scene-just a tad
marshmallow
jackryan411
Aug 24 2003, 08:40 PM
Yeah, Ron is slowly starting to get it...I have a thread on McGonagall, all though it's slightly off-topic near the middle and end, it does have some great points about McGonagall in the beginning.
briarswt
Oct 4 2003, 09:22 PM
Merging this with an older thread ~gal-texter
Hey everyone!
Just wondering which characters in the Harry Potter books have seen our lovely pairing despite all their protests? Can you give actual text references?
Stncold
Oct 4 2003, 09:35 PM
No text references offhand but im pretty sure Mcgonagall,Colin,Cho and Vicky see it.
KaiserDragon
Oct 4 2003, 09:41 PM
Malfoy might too. Pansy Parkinson is iffy, and most of us have an inkling that Dumbldore might be a closet H/Hr shipper. Remus and Sirius too.
ponderingprefect
Oct 4 2003, 09:44 PM
Professor McGonagall, her support of them is a little vague, especially since she is a fairly stern woman but I think she is an old softie at heart and that she does see it. I think the most telling evidence for that was actually in CoS after Hermione is petrified by the Basilisk, in th book on p 256 of the Scholastic HB edition it says
| QUOTE |
"Potter, I think you'd better come with me...,"
Wondering how she could possibly suspect him this time, Harry saw Ron detach himself from the complaining crowd; he came running up to them as they set off toward the castle. To Harry's surprise, Professor McGonagall didn't object.
"Yes perhaps you'd better come, too, Weasley..." |
The italics and bold were emphasized by me not JKR, but it's still telling. Notice how Professor McGonagall thinks to go to Harry first because she knew that he'd be concern. If Ron hadn't come running up, I doubt that she would have suggested to Harry that he get Ron as well. As far as I can tell, Professor McGonagall seems to notice how much Harry and Hermione are with each other, rather than Ron and Hermione together.
Next, Mrs. Weasley...yes, I said Mrs. Weasley. I am too lazy to go get the 4th book and find the page but when all the Rita Skeeter articles came out in the Daily Prophet, Mrs. Weasley believed them. Now, Mrs. Weasley must have thought that there must be something going on, or at least an attraction between Harry and Hermione otherwise she wouldn't have gotten angry. I have a feeling that Mrs. Weasley knows that Ron likes Hermione and that because she sees what's going on between Harry and Hermione, she doesn't want her son hurt.
Krum...easy to find, check GoF, when he confronts Harry about his status with Hermione. He thinks something is going on and he wants to make sure.
Colin Creevy: Can't recall exactly, but I believe that he was actually quoted in a Skeeter article in which he supported H/Hr as a couple or at least said things that may have indicated he believed them to be.
Cho Chang: Yeah...she pretty much gets jealous of Hermione after she kisses Harry and Harry still chooses Hermione over her after that. That of course only makes her more jealous, remember her stupid, annoying comments about "Oh, if it's darling Hermione..." can't recall what page as I'm too lazy to get the book. But Cho Chang does see it. And as much as I hate her, she seems pretty astute too, she knows what's going on around her and I'm sure she's dated enough to be able to tell that something is going on. And most of the time when a girl suspects something that is going on between two people...they're probably right. Cho Chang is using her intuition, she sees it.
So there you have it, there MUST be more people. I'm too lazy to find it out right now...I think Pansy Parkinson may have, I think she too was quoted for the article. There may have been others, but I'm not sure. And with all those people seeing it, it kind of annoys me. Damn it. So, when is Harry going to see it...hmm???
the_dog_star
Oct 4 2003, 10:07 PM
Don't forget Ron and Ginny.
Ron might see H/Hr subconsciosly, or consciusly, depends on how you look at it.
When Harry was hiding in the room with Buckbeak [A hippogryff ^.^], the only person that got him out was Hermione, and later, we find out that Ron and Ginny have been telling her what Harry's been doing lately. Obviously, they knew only Hermione could get Harry out of there.
And at the end of the book, Ron was kind of hinting his sister to Harry, kinda pimpish if you ask me

As for Ginny, aside from the one I pointed out with Ron, I can't find anything else, but I'm pretty sure that's not the only time I noticed she saw H/Hr

Oh, and maybe Hagrid and Grawp ^.^
~the dog star
DreamerBlue
Oct 5 2003, 12:03 AM
| QUOTE (Stncold @ Oct 5 2003, 05:35 AM) |
| No text references offhand but im pretty sure Mcgonagall,Colin,Cho and Vicky see it. |
Yeah I agree
Breath of Fire
Oct 5 2003, 01:33 AM
Yeah, could be
karenkate_kitty
Oct 5 2003, 02:09 AM
I feel so tired to actually get the book and type the whole text down but I think McGonagall is pretty much an H/Hr expecially during OotP she commented that good thing Harry listens to Granger a lot......oh.. sorry i'm too bored and pathetic at the moment.
Anazecria
Oct 5 2003, 02:15 AM
| QUOTE (ponderingprefect) |
| Next, Mrs. Weasley...yes, I said Mrs. Weasley. I am too lazy to go get the 4th book and find the page but when all the Rita Skeeter articles came out in the Daily Prophet, Mrs. Weasley believed them. Now, Mrs. Weasley must have thought that there must be something going on, or at least an attraction between Harry and Hermione otherwise she wouldn't have gotten angry. I have a feeling that Mrs. Weasley knows that Ron likes Hermione and that because she sees what's going on between Harry and Hermione, she doesn't want her son hurt. |
*Logical Side rears her ugly head*
Logical Side: I've heard this argument before, to support R/Hr and H/Hr, and I tend to think Mrs. Weasley is just gullable. It's not the first time she believes Rita's articles about Harry.
| QUOTE |
GoF, Chapter 19, The Hungarian Horntail: "‘Just hope he’s still fine after he’s faced this lot,’ said Charlie grimly, looking out over the dragons’ enclosure. ‘I didn’t dare tell Mum what he’s got to do for the first task, she’s already having kittens about him . . .’ Charlie imitated his mother’s anxious voice. ‘“How could they let him enter that Tournament, he’s much too young! I thought they were all safe, I thought there was going to be an age limit!” She was in floods after that Daily Prophet article about him. “He still cries about his parents! Oh, bless him, I never knew!”’" |
Now, this and the triangle article might make sense to Mrs. Weasley, but as she is fully aware of Rita's brand of erm, 'journalism'. She should've known to take those articles with a grain of salt, and yet she didn't. I find this as something else to add to my concerns about Mrs Weasley rather than anything Shippy.
That said, I agree about all the other people.

Though Colin Creevey could possibly have been taken out of context by Rita Skeeter.
| QUOTE |
Same Book and Chapter: "Harry has at last found love at Hogwarts. His close friend, Colin Creevey, says that Harry is rarely seen out of the company of one Hermione Granger, a stunningly pretty Muggle-born girl who, like Harry, is one of the top students in the school." |
Colin just said Harry was always in the company of Hermione. This doesn't necessarily mean anything. At the time, Harry still wasn't talking to Ron. So of course he was only hanging about with Hermione. It may have looked couply to others, but Rita 'neglecting' to mention the attitude other students had towards Harry at the time and planting Colin's comment does not mean that Colin 'sees anything' per se. Am I making sense?
I think Draco might see something. Though this might be straw-grasping.
| QUOTE |
Cos, Chapter 12, The Polyjuice Potion: "‘Saint Potter, the Mudbloods’ friend,’ said Malfoy slowly. ‘He’s another one with no proper wizard feeling, or he wouldn’t go around with that jumped-up Granger Mudblood." |
This is a very big if. Draco might just be being crude.
Area88
Oct 5 2003, 04:55 AM
Twin should be see somethig after the Hermione reaction to Ron's prefect badge
karenkate_kitty
Oct 5 2003, 07:23 AM
yup fred and george have seen the reaction and they actually expected it because a. they think it's bogus to make Ron a Prefect or b. they know that Hermione has a thing for Harry and would definitely want him as prefect.... i go for A but B is a nice thought
jackryan411
Oct 5 2003, 07:40 AM
One of my old threads (Is McGonagall a H/Hr shipper) does discuss this whole thing...I have a list around here somewhere. *Rummages around...Dang it! I can't find it...
Anazecria
Oct 5 2003, 07:46 AM
*does further rummaging* Aha!
Here you go!
Liz R.
Oct 5 2003, 07:52 AM
Cho and Viktor definately see it. No doubt about that. I definately think Ron knows it. That's why he's pressuring Ginny to go out with Harry. To get him away from Hermione. I'm no sure Mrs. Weasley sees it, but if she does I'm positive she doesn't like it. McGonegall and Dumbledore seem to see it too. I think H/Hr might remind both of them of L/J.
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