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Ravenclaw(d69)
In the bitter heat and dissapointed that some people are feeling due to the release of Deathly Hallows, its time to really think and talk about why Harry and Hermione belong to eachother, why they belong to eachother. Hopefully in a years time we can look back on how the Harry Potter series was so wonderful, but Harry should have gotten together with Hermione.
I wanna hear your thoughts, your best cannon filled reasons. This is not a place to bash Ron or Ginny or anyone else, but just to share what we think about Harry and Hermione.
hexonjellybeans12
I ship Harry and Hermione (yes, present tense. I still do) because I think they have a great friendship between them. They have an equal give-and-take relationship, trust each other with everything, can be honest, and are loyal to each other. They never let petty bickering come between them, and that's not something you see with a lot of friendships. It has the perfect base to become something more. And JK provided us with those building blocks and the foundation.

They fit together like puzzle peices--they aren't the same, but they compliment each other. Where Harry is accomplished, Hermione usually is not (like combat, spur-of-the-moment decisions) and where Hermione is accomplished, Harry is not (like academics). Those differences bring them together to acheive a common goal, whether it be homework or defeating the forces of evil. I don't believe Ron and Hermione have that same deep connection, and while Ron definetly is not accomplished in academic like Hermione is, I don't think that connection goes any deeper than that. People say "opposites attract" but even those who are complete opposite have at least one thing in common.

Personally, I think Hermione just gave up on Harry. It was pretty obvious (at least to me) that Hermione had a big crush on Harry from the end of book one to book five. I think, after Harry didn't make his move (despite the fact that he did have feelings for her, he just didn't realize them...idiot), and after seeing him with Ginny, Hermione abandoned it as a school-girl crush. I think that was the large debilitating factor in why H/Hr did not happen. Beside's Ron's change of character.

As a writer myself, I know that to have a relationship work out smoothly, you have to have a solid base of evidence for it. JK laid those foundations for H/Hr, and it seemed pretty obvious that it was the target relationship in the series. Where she changed her mind, I don't know, or why. I wish I did. There's my two cents.

eagle_patronus
its just the trust and friendship that goes beyond the surface...Harry relies and trusts Hermione in many ways, and Hermione in return gives Harry the loyalty and support that even Ron doesn't always give. There is no denying the closeness Harry and Hermione share...and there was always the chance that the friendship could have blossomed into something more...
gluglug
There are many reasons why I started shipping H/Hr and will continue to do so, in spite of the canon pairings.

The main reason is that they just get each other and accept each other, faults and all. Harry appreciates Hermione's brilliance and her loyalty. Hermione appreciates his courage, his good heart and his willingness to do the right thing.

They also balance each other out (hence Harmony) - Hermione taught Harry to think before he acts, and he taught her to be less cerebral, more sensitive, and how to break the rules when necessary. They became so close that they could communicate without words, which speaks to a soul deep connection.

I doubt that Harry and Hermione, in their respective marriages, will ever find that level of emotional intimacy that they have with each other.

It just saddens me that JKR never let them take their relationship to the next step - physical intimacy that would've made their existing bond even stronger.
jediyoda
There is only one word I can think about H/Hr : PERFECT. They compliment each other very well, which for me couldn't have been better. smile.gif They are the equivalent for each other.
Danny2004
Perfection at its best: Harry and Hermione are completely compatible with each other, they communicate with each other beyond using words (which is probably a very very difficult thing to do as a creature of language), never they ever said something bad about what he/she is and they have unrivaled respect for each other.

I can also add the words of trust, loyalty, reliabilty for each other, support, closeness, etc. among many to describe them. But, just like the story of their relationship, it's taken beyond words. thumbup.gif

Harmony shipper until the day I die, and beyond!!!
sunkMyShip
Is this where I point out that Ron and Hermione represent Harry's emotional and intellectual sides, respectively? And the times Ron's almost died for Harry's sake? Like that bit where he jumped into a frozen pond in the middle of winter?
Harry85
Why I ship Harry/Hermione? Simple, because they understand each other, they care deeply for each other and have always had, unlike Ron who started caring for Hermione only when he started getting the hots for her. Because whatever JK says, Hermione is the girl who understands Harry the better, she can guess his thouhgts and how he feels any moment, and the graveyard scene is another example of this, when she conjures the flowers for him to leave on the graves, and he was thinking exactly that he had nothing to leave there...because he knows he can't function without her, and in fact he's scared she might feel disappointed in him like Ron does, and leave him alone. Because they have a strong friendship on which they can build a relationship, because I can't stand the bickering couples, and because I imagine tre love like what they have, and would love to find a girl with which I could have the same.

QUOTE(sunkMyShip @ Jul 26 2007, 02:36 AM) *

Is this where I point out that Ron and Hermione represent Harry's emotional and intellectual sides, respectively? And the times Ron's almost died for Harry's sake? Like that bit where he jumped into a frozen pond in the middle of winter?

Ron almsot sacrificed himself for Harry lots of times...right, but what about Ginny? What did she do to outshine Hermione in Harry's eyes?
Danny2004
QUOTE(Harry85 @ Jul 26 2007, 03:47 AM) *

Ron almsot sacrificed himself for Harry lots of times...right, but what about Ginny? What did she do to outshine Hermione in Harry's eyes?

Oh please. There is plenty of room elsewhere to debate on this, but not here please.
moogle
I don't think I could fully put into words why I ship H/Hr. It was more like a realisation to me, just as much as love is in real life. There was no cheesy, cliched reasons, no stunning signs that screamed H/hr, I just read the books and then gradually it hit me that they are pefect with each other.

I had seen the signs of R/Hr, I had seen the signs of H/G and yet they meant nothing to me. I had grown to love what I had seen between Harry/Hermione, and no other relationship could take over that passion.

We have seen them develop from friends who were loyal to each other, to friends who stood by each, to friends who would do anything for each other. We saw them bond with each other, comfort each other, and admire each other.

Not only that, but just in those small moments of understanding, or the simple hugs, smiles and conversations, I had come to see the most beautiful, blossoming romance I could ever dream of.

So how can I explain in such simple words the intensity, the beauty or the absolute loyalty harry and Hermione have with each other? I can't, but all you need to know is that I shipp them, and always will!!
Harry85
QUOTE(Danny2004 @ Jul 26 2007, 02:50 AM) *
Oh please. There is plenty of room elsewhere to debate on this, but not here please.
sorry, I got carried away biggrin.gif


QUOTE(moogle @ Jul 26 2007, 02:54 AM) *
I don't think I could fully put into words why I ship H/Hr. It was more like a realisation to me, just as much as love is in real life.


I agree. I slowly realized they were perfect for each other, and no other couple mattered to me. Maybe in doing this I ignored some signs for RHr and H/G, and that made me "fall from an higher spot", let's say, because I was so focused on HHr, that when I realized in HBP it was not going to happen, it really hurt me.
piriya30
I'm shipping H/Hr because it is what I'm expecting to have sharing with my love of my life. One day.

It's that simple.
DirectorPotter
QUOTE(piriya30 @ Jul 26 2007, 03:38 AM) *

I'm shipping H/Hr because it is what I'm expecting to have sharing with my love of my life. One day.

It's that simple.



Here here! Hopeless romantics ship H/Hr!!!
Kinem
Even in deathly hallows the nature of harry and hermione's relationship even as friends causes me to ship them.

The morning after Harry is furious with Hermione for the wand breaking, after she says that he's still mad at her he takes one look at her face and kinda melts and says that it was an accident, that she was incredible and he would have died without her. Ron would have held a grudge for about 2 months.
abhi_shake
QUOTE(DirectorPotter @ Jul 26 2007, 09:25 AM) *
Here here! Hopeless romantics ship H/Hr!!!


Maybe we all are..... even R/Hr and H/G shippers tongue.gif

QUOTE(moogle)
I don't think I could fully put into words why I ship H/Hr. It was more like a realisation to me, just as much as love is in real life.


Took the words out of my mouth.
H/Hr forever thumbup.gif
Harry85
QUOTE(piriya30 @ Jul 26 2007, 03:38 AM) *

I'm shipping H/Hr because it is what I'm expecting to have sharing with my love of my life. One day.

It's that simple.
Beautifully put, it's what I feel too. wub.gif heart.gif


QUOTE(DirectorPotter @ Jul 26 2007, 03:55 AM) *

Here here! Hopeless romantics ship H/Hr!!!
I'm proud to be one for this reason wub.gif


QUOTE(Kinem @ Jul 26 2007, 04:23 AM) *

Even in deathly hallows the nature of harry and hermione's relationship even as friends causes me to ship them.

The morning after Harry is furious with Hermione for the wand breaking, after she says that he's still mad at her he takes one look at her face and kinda melts and says that it was an accident, that she was incredible and he would have died without her. Ron would have held a grudge for about 2 months.
Yeah, and the touch on his head that makes him close his eyes, the beautiful scene in the graveyard...there's plenty of them...
Celebrian Helyanwe
I ship Harry/Hermione because their friendship had so much potential. Nothing else compared. It was so perfect. They understand each other. They know what each other is thinking. Hermione is always there for Harry. She cares (well cared) about Harry more than anyone else in the world. She was there for him even when Ron wasn't. She obliviated her parents for him! And Harry is always protecting her as well. Being a guy, he doesn't show how much he cares about her as well as she does, but I know he does. Or did. He was the reason Hermione found friends in the first place. He is the reason she is still alive. They both are the reason the other is still alive. And they each have what the other lacks. Harry has the quick-thinking and Hermione has the common sense.

Harry and Hermione had everything they needed for a potential relationship. Even a kiss (although it wasn't real.) But JKR forced all those pieces apart so that they were left meaningless.
flora
because they always know what the other thinks.I think it is FANTASTIC
blueangel
I ship H/Hr for a variety of reasons.
First it's simply liking for both characters. I like Harry, I wanted the best for him, and IMO the best for him was Hermione. Same goes for Hermione, I like her and want the best for her, and the best has never been Ron in my eyes - I've always hated the way he treated her. I wanted her with Harry.

And there is the bond they shared - and that they still share through a good part of DH - and the way they care for each other.

Guess it's because of the way I like my relationships to be, and because I think a solid foundation for a long-lasting relationship is a good friendship before. That's what I have experimented. I admit that it does not mean other types of relationship can't work. It's just my preference.

I sincerely believed I had excellent reasons to think it was possible. Obviously it's not how the author saw things and I have accepted that - not happily, though. And even then, JKR make Harry says that Hermione is like a sister to him, but she did not convince me that Hermione always saw him as a brother. There are more than a couple of instances in the series where her actions and attitudes suggested otherwise, in my interpretation at least.

I'm going to continue shipping H/Hr, because it remains my OTP, even if it did not happened in canon.
thewall28304
I ship H/Hr because they have a bond that no one will ever be able to understand or break. I think the horcrux incident gave Harry an easy out to tell Ron what he wanted to hear and I don't think Harry was being entirely truthful with him. Otherwise Ron would have reacted differently than looking away from Harry and not responding. Many feel that Hermione buried whatever feelings she may have had for Harry at the end of OOTP.However, I think she still harbored some feelings for him and it's shown during the chapters they were alone together. I find it intersting that JKR decided that she would be the one to share seeing his parents graves with him and not include Ron. Of course my POA movie prediction turned out to be right,in the scene where she goes to comfort him and Ron is standing in the background.

That turned out to be Godric's Hollow and it turned out to be a real treat for us to read. I loved the end of the Tale of the Three Brothers chapter,in which she asks Harry if he trusts her and and he nods without hesitation. That spoke volumes to me that he trusts her more than anyone,including Ron or his future wife. I guess DH is not only a story about death,but a tale of loss. It's about what you want most you can't have,because it's already taken(Harry) and settling for the alternative(Ron).
Ravenclaw(d69)
Here's what I wrote on a differnt thread but it seems to fit here too.

I always say that Ginny and Harry do not balance eachother out because of their simmilar personalities, which all the H/G shippers seem to think is so perfect about their realationship. People say that Harry and Hermione dont have common ground (which they obviously do because they have been friends for 7 years), but one could argue that Hermione and Ron do not have common ground either.
OBHWF fits as a reasonable end for the story if you are not looking at the charcters on a personal level, and understanding them. If you do however care to look at the charcters on a personal level you will see that Hermione cares for Harry and always wants the best for him. She doesnt care about displeasing him and having him get mad at her as long as he's safe. The prime example to this is the Firebolt incident in POA. Look how horribly Hermione is treated after she reports the Firebolt by Harry and Ron. But she put up with, she let it go even though she was hurting inside, because she loves him. Another example is the OOTP Fight but we wont get into that. Talk about unconditional love. However she doesnt always defy and does support him. How many times does she skip meals and spends hours in the library researching for Harry? Harry is Hermione's top priority, and he always was. Hermione is the first one who realised she feels secure when she's holding Harry. How many times as she held on to him when she was scared? Hermione believes in Harry, she understands him, she has faith in him (and still did when no one else did).
Harry looks to Hermione for support, for help, for advice. He trsuts her, he knows that she will always be there for him...the idea never crossed his mind that she would leave his side, only once in Deathly Hallows, and the idea was not comforting. He values her opinion and trusts her judgement even if he thinks she's wrong. He wants to look good in her eyes, he wants to make her proud, he thinks about her in desperate times and hears her voice in his head. "The part of his mind that usually spoke in Hermione's voice" I believe was a qoute from either OOTP and HBP. He adores the little things that make Hermione herself. Here's a cute little qoute from Deathly Hallows. After a long time when Harry and Hermione are not speaking due to devastation of Ron departing *rollseyes* Harry and Hermione finally start speaking again....



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"Really? Gryffindor came from Godric's Hollow?"
"Harry, did you ever even open A History of Magic?"
"Erm," he said, smiling for what felt like the first time in months: The muscles in his face felt odly stiff. "I might've opened it, you know, when I bought it...just once..."


[Hermione explains Godrics Hollow]

QUOTE
She sounded much more like herself than she had done of late; Harry half expected her to annouce that she was off to the library.


Who made Harry smile after so long? Hermione! And all she had to do was be herself once more. We can see that Harry obviously prefers her being herself and thats enough to make him smile. Thats adoring. Add this to Harry always thinking about Hermione when he sees elves. There are other instances too but I wont list them here.

Harry85
Well said, she has just to be herself, and he will feel at ease. Even in such a dire situation, her acting like herself makes him smile, it has to mean something, right?
sunkMyShip
QUOTE
it has to mean something, right?
I do not think it means what you think it means.

QUOTE(Harry85 @ Jul 26 2007, 09:18 AM) *
Ah, yes, but only the anvil-sized hints count for the building of a relationship. Those bigger are rubbish... rolleyes.gif
Anything bigger than anvils would be actual, canon statements.

QUOTE(Tenshi-no-shi @ Jul 26 2007, 02:59 AM) *

not really, I mean he has had 6 years to learn about her, yet he still seams to have the same outlook of her as he always has.
Didn't he and Ron dislike her, right up until they saved her life? Hasn't he learned that she's more than just a bookworm?

QUOTE
Hey My ship would have never sailed in a million years, and I am sad.... and Harry and Luna, it would have worked so well and of course been a twist that no one would have expected.
Actually, I thought the same when she was introduced.

QUOTE
Anyways, I always found the OBHWF concept to be contrived. I mean it's too storybook.
So the hero's two best friends hooking up is too storybook, but the hero falling for his best, female friend isn't?
Danny2004
QUOTE(piriya30 @ Jul 26 2007, 04:38 AM) *

I'm shipping H/Hr because it is what I'm expecting to have sharing with my love of my life. One day.

It's that simple.


Well put! I also hope and wish to share the same kind of relationship Harry and Hermione have with the woman I'll love forever. Start with a little step, gain each other's trust, develop mutual understanding, etc. - all the key steps for a solid love relationship are there.

Ravenclaw(d69)
QUOTE(sunkMyShip @ Jul 26 2007, 09:51 AM) *
So the hero's two best friends hooking up is too storybook, but the hero falling for his best, female friend isn't?


The hero's too best friends falling for eachother is cliche.
Biggest comparison we can draw on is Star Wars and Pirates of the Carribean. Im sure there are other instances where the hero falls for his best friend (though I cant think of any right now). The point is, oth the hero falling-for-the-best-friend and the heroe's sidekicks-falling-for-eachother are BOTH stereotypical. Thats not an arguement really.
Seamus22
I ship Harmony because of the deep respect and understanding Harry and Hermione share. I think someone brought up about hor Hermione does what she thinks what's right even though Harry would get mad at her for it. Ginny never showed this especially in HBP. At the part where Ginny is blindly supporting Harry in his actions against Draco. While Hermione kept telling Harry is was the wrong thing to use an unidentified curse on Malfoy she didn't blame him for defending himself. Just the way he went about it and how even after the curse he didn't care.

Like people have said H/Hr fit together like a puzzle what one lacks the other has tenfold. Hermione was just always there for Harry and Harry was there for her when her 'lover' wanted to be a git. And I loved their silent communication that Ron couldn't follow even if he tried. Yet he follows parseltongue gah...sorry still bitter about that. blush.gif

So all I know is to me H/Hr make perfect sense and I will always be a Harmony shipper. heart.gif

QUOTE
Didn't he and Ron dislike her, right up until they saved her life? Hasn't he learned that she's more than just a bookworm?


I don't think he disliked her, but he didn't like her really either. Ron didn't like her for some really petty reasons Harry I think just followed Ron. And if he did dislike her why did he realize she was in the bathroom when the troll was out?

Harry85
QUOTE(sunkMyShip @ Jul 26 2007, 05:51 PM) *

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Anything bigger than anvils would be actual, canon statements.

Didn't he and Ron dislike her, right up until they saved her life? Hasn't he learned that she's more than just a bookworm?

Actually, I thought the same when she was introduced.

So the hero's two best friends hooking up is too storybook, but the hero falling for his best, female friend isn't?
You ship HHr? I don't think so..thus, why are you replying here? Anyhow, I'll reply to you.

you don't think it means what I do...but see, it's your opinion against mine. And do not tell me the ending shows you're right. WE're tallking about a precise moment, not how the book ends.

Anything bigger than anvils gets ignored by Herons and Chocos, mostly.

Ron befriended Hermione only thanks to Harry, who remembered she needed to know about the troll, and led to Ron with him. they save her, she takes the balem with McGonagall, and they start hanging out. Without Harry, he would have never known the real her.

I thought there was some chemistry between them, especially in OoTP. As for the clichè thing...both are cliches, but the hero gets the girl is far more beautiful. In my opinion, of course.
paripasu
This is the hardest and easiest question of them all. Harry and Hermione are just so right for each other. I've never seen a more beautiful relationship than the one between the two of them. When I'm at my most shallow, I simply say they'd be cute. Moderately shallow, I say it's because I have a best friend kink. But when I delve deeper, the reasons for shipping Harry/Hermione are endless.

Harry and Hermione both came to Hogwarts with a thirst to prove themselves, but in different ways. Harry proved himself through physical things like Quidditch and saving the world. Hermione proved herself through academic things like getting good grades and being the one to research ways to get them out of the troubles that befell them.

Hermione has stayed by Harry's side since book one, even when Harry didn't want her there. The only time she wasn't was in book three when she reported his broom to McGonagall and Harry got so angry with her and he and Ron stopped speaking to her. Hermione did it to help him, even if he didn't know it, and she ultimately ended up being partially right.

It's been that way, right up into OotP, when Hermione stood up to Harry and forced him to make sure Sirius was really kidnapped before he went running off to do his saving people thing and even came with him and even into DH. Ron told Harry all the things that he AND Hermione had been thinking and yet Ron was the only one to leave.

From the moment Harry remembered that Hermione was in the bathroom the troll was in (crying from the callous words of her twu luv) and made Ron come back with him to save her to the infamous locket scene that "sank our ship" in canon once and for all, Harry and Hermione have been such a beautiful, wonderful, shining example of how powerful a friendship can be and how easily it could turn into love. No relationship in the Harry Potter books has ever come close.

They are "right" as opposed to "easy", friends who can see without judging, who build each other up when the rest of the world is tearing them down, who stand by one another, support each other, trust each other, and make me hope and dream that one day I can find someone with which I can have a relationship as beautiful as theirs.
Leena Cloud
I ship Harry and Hermione (and always will canon or not) because they have the perfect bond. Harry has always respected her and her ideas while he might not always agree with them he hears her out and vice versa. They trust each other and are loyal. Their relationship has never been shallow they have bonded in ways that R/Hr and G/H will ever have. They even know what each other are thinking and how good they work as a team together. DH proved that once more in Chapter 15, even Ron felt they had a connection. So just to sum it all up they have a a mature love way beyond looks and lust.
Poppet

QUOTE(piriya30 @ Jul 26 2007, 04:38 AM) *

I'm shipping H/Hr because it is what I'm expecting to have sharing with my love of my life. One day.

It's that simple.


Exactly. If I can find someone who respects me, trusts me, and is loyal to me like they are to each other, I will die a happy woman. I ship H/Hr because they are so right for each other it's crazy. They're love is mature and eternal and perfect.
heart.gif
Harry85
couldn't have said it better, really.
Ravenclaw(d69)
The thing I love about H/HR is that gives me a chance to see romance in something. Before I started shipping Harry/Hermione I was never a romantic person. I still am not a hopeless romantic. But I when I see Harry and Hermione it gives me a way to understand and look at love, something that I really do not do. I can go as far as saying I understand love because of the way it was potrayed through Harry and Hermione.
The Midnight Maiden
QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jul 27 2007, 07:05 AM) *

The thing I love about H/HR is that gives me a chance to see romance in something. Before I started shipping Harry/Hermione I was never a romantic person. I still am not a hopeless romantic. But I when I see Harry and Hermione it gives me a way to understand and look at love, something that I really do not do. I can go as far as saying I understand love because of the way it was potrayed through Harry and Hermione.

Yep, couldn't have said it better my self! whistling.gif That or I'm too lazy hehe tongue.gif. To me H/Hr represents everything I could possibly want in a relationship, not the crap JKR gave us with the H/G and R/Hr ships
harry and hermiones daughter
Harry and Hermione has always been, and always will be the best relationship ever written in fiction. There has never before been a better best friend relationship EVER been written in my eyes, but even after DH. I still think Harmony is FTW biggrin.gif We are the rulers of fandom and we don't need Cannon to tell us that we're correct, and that we know what love is biggrin.gif
CarolineD.
QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jul 27 2007, 08:05 AM) *

The thing I love about H/HR is that gives me a chance to see romance in something. Before I started shipping Harry/Hermione I was never a romantic person. I still am not a hopeless romantic. But I when I see Harry and Hermione it gives me a way to understand and look at love, something that I really do not do. I can go as far as saying I understand love because of the way it was potrayed through Harry and Hermione.


perfectly well said!

I feel same way..I never being in love or believed in True love in my life.
But H/hr change all that.. heart.gif

H/hr they are EVERYTHING to each other.
Tenshi-no-shi
My favorite ship of all in Harry/Luna, mainly because I think that they fit well together.

I do though Ship Harry/Hermione as well, maybe not as much as Harry/Luna, but much more than Harry/Ginny, and Ron/Hermione. I well explain each why.

With Harry/Luna, that is the side of me that thinks relationships should be about surprise one another. That a relationship that is too stiff and routine becomes stagnant and bitter, not that Harry/Hermione would do so. Harry in my mind is this lost character that doesn't really know which way he is going. He is also to high strung. I thought Luna was a natural complement to him. They both understood lost intimately. They both had a outlook on the world around them that was unique to everyone else. I felt that Luna would get Harry to connect to his inter child that he lost growing up in the Dursleys and I felt that Harry would help ground Luna.

I Like Harry/Hermione because to me it puts out a message that so many people nowadays need to here. That love can be so much deeper if one looks past such superficial things as looks, or pure animal attraction (Lust). That a relationship that is based on friendship and trust, that it would be a deeper connection then any others. I think that such relationship while may not be as hot an heavy as others, usually stands the test of time much more that others. I know that Harry and Hermione is a cliche ending, but really it is one that I think that people need to be reminded about. Plus if you do it were it's not right after Harry defeats Voldemort, but wait a few years for their relationship to mature more then I think that it would be something that is truly great.

Harry/Ginny, well I can ship that as well. It is kind of a romantic concept, but it is an unnecessary ship. Plus the fact that the way that Ginny and Harry's relationship is portrayed in HBP is really that of a shallow and purely animalistic attraction to one another that would not stand the test of time.

Hermione/Ron... Sorry if two people act more like siblings in the series then those two I want to know, because really that is what I saw all there interactions as. Even Ron getting mad at Hermione for dating Krum.
piriya30
QUOTE(Tenshi-no-shi @ Jul 27 2007, 12:33 PM) *
I Like Harry/Hermione because to me it puts out a message that so many people nowadays need to here.


Couldn't have said it better myself!!!!!...You're saying exactly what I'm thinking!!!!!

How sad that messege wouldn't go anywhere.....
Harry85
QUOTE(Tenshi-no-shi @ Jul 27 2007, 07:33 PM) *
My favorite ship of all in Harry/Luna, mainly because I think that they fit well together.

I do though Ship Harry/Hermione as well, maybe not as much as Harry/Luna, but much more than Harry/Ginny, and Ron/Hermione. I well explain each why.


H/L: I do agree with you that it could have been beautiful. Especially seeing the OoTP movie I came to appreciate the idea of this ship, I admit I didn't care much for it before the movie. But seeing them interact on screen, I get it.

HHr: couldn't have said it better. I loved all you pointed out in their relationship, and I felt it was really the right way to go for JK. Too bad she did not agree... rolleyes.gif

H/G: pure phisical attraction...can't understand how can they marry and have kids...but JK chose them to do that, so...I can't stand it, but I'll have to remind myself it is canon.

RHr: well, I agree with you. But to JK, Harry and Hermione are more sibling like in their interaction...yeah, right... rolleyes.gif
thewall28304
I wish I could remember where I saw JKR's exact quote,but maybe the reason why she went left field and ended the series OBHWF,was because some very astute H/Hr detectives had guesed her ending and she had to change it at the last minute. I have to say now my favorite H/Hr book is POA,because that book was overflowing with the now alchemy symbolism that was present in the book. The first three odd number books SS,POA,and OOTP,showed how strong H/Hr's realtionship is and how close they were to becoming more than friends. So Rowling had to have looked back at her outline notes and saw that her last two books was not matching her OBHWF epilouge. Therefore she had to come up with a way to separate H/Hr and make R/Hr somewhat believable,although she doens't quite get the job done. I think having to modify Ron's personality so that he acts more like Harry,cheapens his character IMO. I guess Rowling had to justify that the only way Ron was going to mature in Hermione's eyes,was to act like the guy she's already in love with,yet she cannot have. So much for the lesson of choosing right over easy in this story. JKR made sure H/Hr didn't have a choice but marry into the Weasely family by making them both orphans,since now Hermione's parents don't remember they have a daughter. It's not mentioned in the epilouge,but I wonder if she ever found her parents again.
Harry85
Using one of Tonks' preferred expressions here,biggrin.gif, wotcher, why did she had to change the ending if someone guessed it? After all, we would not know the guess was right till the last book came out all the same, so...she didn't change the epilogue once it was leaked...

Seamus22
QUOTE(thewall28304 @ Jul 27 2007, 04:14 PM) *
I wish I could remember where I saw JKR's exact quote,but maybe the reason why she went left field and ended the series OBHWF,was because some very astute H/Hr detectives had guesed her ending and she had to change it at the last minute.


Eh honestly after reading that epilogue it felt like that was what JKR was aiming for the whole time. Maybe I'm the only one who felt the epilogue didn't really flow with the series, even HBP and DH. She tried to write the series almost around this ending, but it got out of hand. She didn't realize how important Hermione was getting for Harry and tried to remedy the situation. As you can tell it really didn't work well and only felt rushed and shallow. JKR just lost track of her characters and tried her best to fix it in the last book. R/Hr got a little better, but H/G just wasn't cutting it.

As for my left field theory I think JKR's aim this whole time was to cover the wizarding world with Weasleys. Soon my friends very soon will the world be ruled by those red-haired witches/wizards. crazy.gif Sorry it's just after that book that was one of the first things that popped into my head. biggrin.gif
Jeanas
QUOTE(Seamus22 @ Jul 28 2007, 12:07 AM) *

As for my left field theory I think JKR's aim this whole time was to cover the wizarding world with Weasleys. Soon my friends very soon will the world be ruled by those red-haired witches/wizards. crazy.gif Sorry it's just after that book that was one of the first things that popped into my head. biggrin.gif


Agreed on the Wealsey Collective tongue.gif
Harry85
One Weasley family to rule them all!


lol
Danny2004
QUOTE(Harry85 @ Jul 28 2007, 12:25 AM) *

One Weasley family to rule them all!


lol

Oh my! laugh.gif laugh.gif I find that funny for once. Really, better call the archbishop to crown Harry and Hermione as King and Queen of the Wizarding World instead. thumbup.gif
Harry85
you know I was almost going to put "the weasleys" in the LOTR verses about the ring ruling all the others, but I couldn't remember all of them...biggrin.gif
Seamus22
QUOTE(Harry85 @ Jul 28 2007, 12:25 AM) *

One Weasley family to rule them all!


I feel as though someone should write a parody fic about this. The Weasleys covering the wizarding world and Harry and Hermione are the ones who have to stop it. biggrin.gif

And somebody should make an icon of that quote.
Tenshi-no-shi
Well I admit at one point I did like H/G, but then I started getting into the weird parallels as James and Lily, and it kind of disturbed me... but the thing is, is that other than red hair Ginny is nothing like Lily, it seams like Hermione is more like Lily than Ginny is.

I liked Harry/Luna way before the move, just after I read the fifth book in fact. I mean for me it just made sense. I mean JRK introduced this delightful character that balanced out Harry's panicked character quite well. I mean he was under attack from all sides and here is this character that even though they never meet before, took his side and helped him so much. For me that interactions seamed like such a great start of a relationship that could turn romantic, but alas it was not meant to be.

The Harry/Hermione ship I liked early on as well, mainly because it was such a sweet relationship and for the obvious reason that EVERY thing that Hermione did for Harry was for his sake. She always was putting him above everything, including his own opinion of her. I saw the part in PoA where she turns his broom in, despite his desire to keep it a secret as a very selfless act on her part. She did not care if he stopped talking to her, she just did not want to see Harry get hurt. Also there was a lot more scenes where Harry did the same sort of thing for Hermione, and I saw Ron's jealousy of Harry as the bases of a good, but never deep friendship. I mean who out there can honestly say that they have never gotten jealous of a friend for something they had that you didn't. Hermione never should that to Harry because she realized that Harry didn't care if he had fame, because he would trade it all for a loving family. I saw when Ron turned away from Harry in GoF as an act of betrayal, or at the very least showed the shallowness of Ron's relationship with Harry and then he only apologies with Harry after he saw how dangerous it was, which to me showed that while he desired what Harry had, he did not want the threat of death over him that Harry did. I personally could have easily have seen him going the way of Peter. You know betraying Harry for power, but then regretting it. I saw Harry and Hermione as the classic hero/heroine story with a twist, because unlike so many others Hermione is Harry equal in many respects, as well as being he greater in others. I thought that it would have been a great pairing because of it. Or at the very least hint to in throughout the series and then leave it as that, without doing some grand many years later thing at the end.

I know that saying that Ron and Hermione relationship is like siblings seams harsh, but really I meant it. Nothing about their behavior indicated anything till the fourth year, and even then it was more of Ron's over protectiveness or even a feeling of imagined betrayal on Ron's part because Hermione didn't stay available for him as a fall back. Also Ron and how easily he gets drawn to beautiful women to me showed shallowness that I don't think he would get over until he was much older, and went thought a few relationships to mature him.

If JRK wanted to hint at a future where Ron/Hermione would get together then I would have bought that, but she did not did not and because of that the romance got in the way of the story.

P.S. I need my signature to just saw, well sorry for the rant.
hopelesslydelusional
ON THE TODAY PROGRAM JKR MENTIONED THAT SHE WASN'T KEEN ON THE IDEA MAKING HER BOOKS INTO MOVIES AT FIRST BECAUSE SHE WOULD LOOSE CONTROL. SHE INSINUATED THAT SHE HAD THE CONTROL OVER THE MOVIES SHE WAS LOOKING FOR. MY QUESTION IS WHY WERE THERE SO MANY SCENES THAT INSINUATED A BUDDING ROMANCE FOR HARRY AND HERMIONE.
Seamus22
QUOTE(hopelesslydelusional @ Jul 27 2007, 07:02 PM) *
MY QUESTION IS WHY WERE THERE SO MANY SCENES THAT INSINUATED A BUDDING ROMANCE FOR HARRY AND HERMIONE.


Was the capslock really necessary? But to answer you're question I think the writers were trying to fit in every possible ship in the movies. It was very noticable in the OoTP movie. That and Dan and Emma have the best chemistry than anyone on that set. So can't wait anytime the Riddle!kiss...WOOT!!!
CarolineD.
QUOTE(Harry85 @ Jul 27 2007, 04:25 PM) *

One Weasley family to rule them all!


no..I prefer H/HR POTTER Family to rule them all! thumbup.gif
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