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red_samurai21
QUOTE(wallflower @ Jun 28 2007, 11:53 AM) *
Poor Ron. In the HBP chapter, its only the first week of the term and he's already bombarded by H/Hr-ness.



the poor thing gets ignored so many times on so many occasions that it really is next to impossible to interpret any R/Hr in book6. ohmy.gif
Ravenclaw(d69)
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'I'm tall,' said Ron inconsequentially.


LOL that is sooo funny and typical Ron. Haha sorry that just made me laugh. Its true he gets so blatantly ignored sometimes. I love him heart.gif
StarbuckJr
This "the best in our year" comment got me thinking. I went and checked how it started. It goes deeper than a simple praise. Let me show you:

At the beginning of HBP:
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"Your mother was Muggle-born, of course. Couldn't believe it when I found out. Thought she must have been pure-blood, she was so good."
"One of my best friends is Muggle-born," said Harry, "and she's the best in our year."
"Funny how that sometimes happens, isn't it?" said Slughorn.
"Not really," said Harry coldly.
Slughorn looked down at him in surprise. "You mustn't think I'm prejudiced!" he said. "No, no, no! Haven't I just said your mother was one of my all-time favorite students? ...

When Dumbledore asks him if he liked Slughorn;

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"Er..."
Harry wasn't sure whether he liked Slughorn or not. He supposed he had been pleasant in his way, but he had also seemed vain and, whatever he said to the contrary, much too surprised that a Muggle-born should make a good witch.

Harry obviously doesn't like the general prejudice against Muggle-borns, and immediately objects, relating the issue to Hermione, priding in the facts that first, she is a Muggle-born; second, she is one his best friends, and third, she is the best in their year, not necessarily in that order.

QUOTE(The Half-Blood Prince @ p. 176-7)
"Granger? Granger? Can you possibly be related to Hector Dagworth-Granger, who founded the Most Extraordinary Society of Potioneers?"
"No. I don't think so, sir. I'm Muggle-born, you see."
Harry saw Malfoy lean close to Nott and whisper something; both of them sniggered, but Slughorn showed no dismay; on the contrary, he beamed and looked from Hermione to Harry, who was sitting next to her.
'Oho! "One of my best friends is Muggle-born and she's the best in our year!" I'm assuming this is the very friend of whom you spoke, Harry?'
"Yes, sir," said Harry.
"Well, well, take twenty well-earned points for Gryffindor, Miss Granger," said Slughorn genially.

Malfoy looked rather as he had done the time Hermione had punched him in the face. Hermione turned to Harry with a radiant expression and whispered, 'Did you really tell him I'm the best in the year? Oh, Harry!'
'Well, what's so impressive about that?' whispered Ron, who for some reason looked annoyed. 'You are the best in the year - I'd've told him so if he asked me!'

Hermione smiled but made a 'shush'ing gesture, so that they could hear what Slughorn was saying. Ron looked slightly disgruntled.

First of all, it's interesting that Slughorn notices Harry and Hermione sitting next to each other only after Hermione answered every question. When he first saw her sitting next to Harry and he must have thought that she's just another fangirl.

Ron's comment helped me realize something though. Apart from the fact that he, once again, disparages her apparent joy at being rightfully praised with his "what's so impressive about that" comment; he also makes the distinction between him and Harry when it comes to Hermione. You see, he says here that "he would have told Slughorn so if he asked him". The thing is, Slughorn never asked Harry, and Harry told all that with the pride of proving Slughorn wrong, not out of obligation, as Ron makes it sound like. Even Malfoy would have told so if he was asked. Harry appreciating/praising/defending her intellect and Muggle origin unprompted is what is so impressive about it.

S.
Nora
QUOTE(StarbuckJr @ Jun 28 2007, 02:12 PM) *

You see, he says here that "he would have told Slughorn so if he asked him". The thing is, Slughorn never asked Harry, and Harry told all that with the pride of proving Slughorn wrong, not out of obligation, as Ron makes it sound like. Even Malfoy would have told so if he was asked. Harry appreciating/praising/defending her intellect and Muggle origin unprompted is what is so impressive about it.


ITA. Ron has never praised Hermione 'just cause', only if she just did something for him, which is another reason why I find his "I love you" more than laughable.

Btw, since JK hinted that book 2 and book 6 are somewhat related, I thought I'd post this from CoS:

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"Harry Potter asks if he can help Dobby ... Dobby has heard of your greatness, sir, but of your goodness, Dobby never knew . ....."
Harry, who was feeling distinctly hot in the face, said, "Whatever you've heard about my greatness is a load of rubbish. I'm not even top of my year at Hogwarts; that's Hermione, she -"
But he stopped quickly, because thinking about Hermione was painful.


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gluglug
StarbuckJr , you make an excellent point that Harry's praise of Hermione is often unprompted, while Ron only praises her when she does his homework for her or is asked. Like I said in one of my previous points, even when H/Hr argue over the HBP book and whether girls are clever, he still manages to praise her.

(That's why I like R/L, because Ron praises Luna's commentary and it completely unprompted. Luna is even skeptical that Ron is praising her; she is not expecting it at all.)

I also like the Slughorn scenes you quoted because JKR not so subtly shows the Hermione/Lily parallel.

Dragoncateliz
I don't want to wait 22 days for more HHR--

I want it now!!

**feels like little girl from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory**

But really...I just have to say if JKR really intends R/Hr and H/G as the final pairings...she made some MAJOR mistakes in HBP...lines like this that make no sense what-so-ever if that's the case...

what means more to you, best-friend you're crushing on complimenting you, or best friend doing so? If as the herons say, she's equally best friends with Ron and Harry, shouldn't her reaction to ron 'complimenting' her at the end be as strong or stronger than hers for Harry's? Why does she almost fish for a compliment after ward from Harry the same way she did after his date with Cho? Why is she so disinterested with what Ron has to say about her--she doesn't care....
Nora
QUOTE(Dragoncateliz @ Jun 28 2007, 02:36 PM) *

what means more to you, best-friend you're crushing on complimenting you, or best friend doing so? If as the herons say, she's equally best friends with Ron and Harry, shouldn't her reaction to ron 'complimenting' her at the end be as strong or stronger than hers for Harry's? Why does she almost fish for a compliment after ward from Harry the same way she did after his date with Cho? Why is she so disinterested with what Ron has to say about her--she doesn't care....


Which reminds me of this from OotP:

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On their way downstairs they met Hermione.
"Thanks for the book, Harry," she said happily. "I've been wanting that New Theory of Numerology for ages! And that perfume's really unusual, Ron."
"No problem," said Ron.
"Who's that for, anyway?" he added, nodding at the neatly wrapped present she was carrying.


Hermione thanks Harry happily for the thoughtful gift, and only lets Ron know that the perfume was "unusual". She doesn't even say 'thank you'! Oh, and you know what else Hermione described as 'unusual' in OotP?

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'Anything good in there?' asked Ron as Harry closed the magazine.
'Of course not,' said Hermione scathingly, before Harry could answer. The
Quibbler's rubbish, everyone knows that.'


and later...

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"[...] and if there's an alternative story available, even if it is published in a -", she glanced sideways at Luna, "in a - well, an unusual magazine - I think they might be rather keen to read it."


So I guess this translates:

"I'm so happy about your thoughtful gift, Harry!" vs. "What kind of rubbish is that perfume, Ron?"

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red_samurai21
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On their way downstairs they met Hermione.
"Thanks for the book, Harry," she said happily. "I've been wanting that New Theory of Numerology for ages! And that perfume's really unusual, Ron."
"No problem," said Ron.
"Who's that for, anyway?" he added, nodding at the neatly wrapped present she was carrying.


no problem?! honestly dude, did you even think of who you;re getting the gift for? koz if you did, it would matter to you that they thought the gift was unusual...

or maybe he was preoccupied with the present she was carrying that he wasn;t aware of his response to her comment... maybe hoping that the present was for him...
Ravenclaw(d69)
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"Harry Potter asks if he can help Dobby ... Dobby has heard of your greatness, sir, but of your goodness, Dobby never knew . ....."
Harry, who was feeling distinctly hot in the face, said, "Whatever you've heard about my greatness is a load of rubbish. I'm not even top of my year at Hogwarts; that's Hermione, she -"
But he stopped quickly, because thinking about Hermione was painful.


Woah woah when was this? That is something that Im pretty sure I've never noticed before.
puck_nc
QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jun 28 2007, 05:54 PM) *

Woah woah when was this? That is something that Im pretty sure I've never noticed before.


That's at the beginning of Chamber of Secrets. To be fair, Ron comes up in their conversation and Harry hesitates there as well, if I remember correctly.
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