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Nora
JKR said that H/Hr are platonic friends when PoA came out. Did they snog in PoA? Nope. She never said, "That's all"....at all.
eupho TPO4
QUOTE(Nora @ Jun 25 2007, 08:47 AM) *

JKR said that H/Hr are platonic friends when PoA came out. Did they snog in PoA? Nope. She never said, "That's all"....at all.


The question back then was "Do Harry and Hermione go on a date?" and Jo's answer was no, they're very platonic friends. In the context of this story, it's very possible (even likely) that during DH Harry and Hermione will fall in love (or will admit that they've already done so, sorry) without any kind of "date" happening. The "platonic friends" bit of the answer was necessary as Jo couldn't give any romantic hints away. She could have just left it at "no" but she's not into one word answers, which is a good thing.
sarahmay
When I started reading the Potter books as an eight year old (hell, I might have been seven..), I just knew that I loved the story. I devoured the first three books, and then read them over and over until the fourth book was released. Back then boys were still...well, just another playmate; and I still covered my eyes when people would kiss in the movies.

I've grown up since then.

I used to think, 'of course it will be R/Hr and H/G! That's what's obvious!'. But like I said, I grew up.

The lovey scenes in movies that used to embarrass me, now make my heart soar...and every thought I have of love points to what Harry and Hermione share.

I'd never really thought about it until now, but they remind me of my parents...

My dad has been in and out of the hospital more times than I can remember...almost near death, but my mom has never left his side. They argue every once in a while, but it's never about them...they love eachother just as they are.

Isn't that what true love is all about?

I'm addicted to H/Hr because that is love to me. Never wondering if you're good enough, etc.

Herons don't see what we see? You don't really have to look very hard to see the love that Harry and Hermione share - it's in every look, every touch, every moment. Hell, now it kind of reminds me of 'Outlander' by Diana Gabaldon in some ways...and that is without a doubt true love...

Self-sacrifice, honesty, trust, loyalty, faith, friendship...

Nothing can shake my belief in that - not even JKR herself.
LUciana7
QUOTE(sarahmay @ Jun 25 2007, 10:09 AM) *

When I started reading the Potter books as an eight year old (hell, I might have been seven..), I just knew that I loved the story. I devoured the first three books, and then read them over and over until the fourth book was released. Back then boys were still...well, just another playmate; and I still covered my eyes when people would kiss in the movies.

I've grown up since then.

I used to think, 'of course it will be R/Hr and H/G! That's what's obvious!'. But like I said, I grew up.

The lovey scenes in movies that used to embarrass me, now make my heart soar...and every thought I have of love points to what Harry and Hermione share.

I'd never really thought about it until now, but they remind me of my parents...

My dad has been in and out of the hospital more times than I can remember...almost near death, but my mom has never left his side. They argue every once in a while, but it's never about them...they love eachother just as they are.

Isn't that what true love is all about?

I'm addicted to H/Hr because that is love to me. Never wondering if you're good enough, etc.

Herons don't see what we see? You don't really have to look very hard to see the love that Harry and Hermione share - it's in every look, every touch, every moment. Hell, now it kind of reminds me of 'Outlander' by Diana Gabaldon in some ways...and that is without a doubt true love...

Self-sacrifice, honesty, trust, loyalty, faith, friendship...

Nothing can shake my belief in that - not even JKR herself.


Great post. That's exactly how I feel about H/Hr and what got me shipping them.

I don't care if Ron and Hermione have jealousy fits, rows, hurt and snark each other. Oh and I suppose THOSE are the famous Anvils, aren't they. I really don't know if I laugh or puke...

The Anvils don't compare with Harry and Hermione's relationship. If I were Voldemort and had to fight "The Power of Love" I'd be afraid of H/Hr's feelings for each other, not R/Hr and certainly NOT H/G!

That is Harmonians best argument to me. You can see it right now in some posts light "H/Hr subtle moments" for example. You can see it all through the series, in Harry's and Hermione's constant and unfailing attention to each other's well-being above everyone else.

What makes me unconfortable? IoD... bag.gif Fear JKR thinks Fight-and-Kiss kind of relationships are great... Hermione's feeling hurt by Ron and Lavender (wtf?).

QUOTE(DarkGoddess2000 @ Feb 1 2007, 11:14 AM) *

You know what really makes me nervous, it's the "Kiss" chapter (Sorry don't have my book with me)
My question is why did Hermione "Beam" at the kiss. It's makes me uneasy, no girl that likes (Romantic likes) a guy would be happy if said guy kissed another girl right in front of her. Had Hermione glared, stomped off, heck I'd be happy with no emotion at all, but it's not what happened. She seemed happy for Harry- not the actions of a girl in love with him.

If anyone has a theory on this please, I beg you let me know because of all cannon 'anvils' I've seen this one really discourages me.


Hmm.. I have a theory about this. Suppose Hermione thinks Harry fancies Ginny, and not her. Also Hermione thinks Harry is in denial about Sirius's death and that was why she was watching him so closely in the Burrow. She is also very worried about the Prophecy. So she feels genuinely happy that Harry gets together with Ginny, as Ginny=distraction ( dev.gif ) = happy happy joy joy for poor suffering Harry.

True love is selfish and wants their loved ones to be happy.
Ravenclaw(d69)
Well I know that I personally feel uncomfortable about the whole Hermione being smug about Harry confessing his feelings about Ginny to her. Wth is that supposed to mean?
ih8anvils
QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jun 25 2007, 08:13 PM) *

Well I know that I personally feel uncomfortable about the whole Hermione being smug about Harry confessing his feelings about Ginny to her. Wth is that supposed to mean?


You know this reminds of that horrible chapter in HBP when H/G kiss mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif and Hermione beams at them... that makes me feel even more uncomfortable. Excuse me while I go spew all over the floor. puke.gif
Ravenclaw(d69)
QUOTE(ih8anvils @ Jun 25 2007, 06:31 PM) *

QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jun 25 2007, 08:13 PM) *

Well I know that I personally feel uncomfortable about the whole Hermione being smug about Harry confessing his feelings about Ginny to her. Wth is that supposed to mean?


You know this reminds of that horrible chapter in HBP when H/G kiss mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif and Hermione beams at them... that makes me feel even more uncomfortable. Excuse me while I go spew all over the floor. puke.gif


Ya this doesnt make me feel that uncomfortable because even if my best friend or the guy I liked (who didnt know that I liked him) kissed some other girl in front of me, there is no way that I would act sad infront of him. I would act as though it really didnt bother me and that I was happy for him. Even if I was breaking inside.
hexonjellybeans12
QUOTE(ih8anvils @ Jun 25 2007, 10:31 PM) *

QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jun 25 2007, 08:13 PM) *

Well I know that I personally feel uncomfortable about the whole Hermione being smug about Harry confessing his feelings about Ginny to her. Wth is that supposed to mean?


You know this reminds of that horrible chapter in HBP when H/G kiss mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif mad2.gif and Hermione beams at them... that makes me feel even more uncomfortable. Excuse me while I go spew all over the floor. puke.gif


The "beaming" about Harry and Ginny kissing is very misleading. Come on, what girl hasn't pretended to be happy over their crush's relationship to make them happy? Hermione only wants what's best for Harry, and I'll bet her reasoning was "If she makes him happy, I'm all for it" whether it broke her heart or not.
ih8anvils
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Ya this doesnt make me feel that uncomfortable because even if my best friend or the guy I liked (who didnt know that I liked him) kissed some other girl in front of me, there is no way that I would act sad infront of him. I would act as though it really didnt bother me and that I was happy for him. Even if I was breaking inside.



As a guy I am the complete opposite. If the girl I liked was making out with some other dude I'd be pissed and everyone would know it. Hermione, who is in fact a woman, is probably really either sad or mad inside... if only we had her POV sometimes.
Ravenclaw(d69)
QUOTE(ih8anvils @ Jun 25 2007, 06:42 PM) *

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Ya this doesnt make me feel that uncomfortable because even if my best friend or the guy I liked (who didnt know that I liked him) kissed some other girl in front of me, there is no way that I would act sad infront of him. I would act as though it really didnt bother me and that I was happy for him. Even if I was breaking inside.



As a guy I am the complete opposite. If the girl I liked was making out with some other dude I'd be pissed and everyone would know it. Hermione, who is in fact a woman, is probably really either sad or mad inside... if only we had her POV sometimes.


And we can see that its differnt for guys too in HBP as Harry very visibly shows anger and jealousy when Ginny was making out with Dean. But poor Hermione, its so hard to keep something like that inside. All girls or at least most would do what Hermione did if they were in her situation. Poor Hermione must be crushed.
hexonjellybeans12
I agree. When it comes to guys, girls tend to keep their feelings hidden. To show feeling is to make oneself vulnerable, not a position most girls like to be in. They also tend to do everything that will make them favorable in the eyes of the guy they like. Therefore, if they make out with another girl, you act like you're all for it. That makes him happy.
Alex Hollin
QUOTE(Ravenclaw(d69) @ Jun 25 2007, 07:13 PM) *

Well I know that I personally feel uncomfortable about the whole Hermione being smug about Harry confessing his feelings about Ginny to her. Wth is that supposed to mean?

In that particular scene, I see a girl who smugly realizes that she *knows* the real Harry like nobody else. biggrin.gif She may be heartbroken, she may be skeptical, or she may be genuinely happy for him, but in any case, she knows that she was right all along, that she can read Harry like a book when nobody else can. It reminds me of the scene in OotP, where Hermione tells Harry that Cho couldn't keep her eyes off him. From the post-kiss scene, you get the feeling that she wasn't too happy about the Crying Cho Kiss Attack, but she didn't show any hint of that in the Hog's Head. She just sabotaged Harry and Cho's date with a little help from Rita and Luna. whistling.gif
QUOTE(hexonjellybeans12 @ Jun 25 2007, 07:55 PM)
When it comes to guys, girls tend to keep their feelings hidden. To show feeling is to make oneself vulnerable, not a position most girls like to be in. They also tend to do everything that will make them favorable in the eyes of the guy they like. Therefore, if they make out with another girl, you act like you're all for it. That makes him happy.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. If Hermione knows that Harry likes Ginny, leaving her feelings out in the open would only bring heartbreak and she knows it. Best put on a smile and look happier than you feel--especially for the sake of poor, grieving Harry!
Nora
About the beaming....

I would agree if it wouldn't be for one tiny scene before the kiss: Hermione fake-beaming to Parvati. Why would JK make sure to establish that Hermione can fake beam and then use the exact same word to describe her reaction to H/G?

Also, right after this, Hermione is 'rolling on the floor laughing' at one of Ginny's dumb jokes. Come on. That sounds more like she is desperately trying to cover up something.
kristina2477
Can somebody go over the alchemy argument again?
harmioney-love*
Hey guys! I am fairly new here...this is actually my first ever forum post, but I've been loving Portkey for months now...it's like my FAV. site haha. So since I just finished OotP, which I loved because I think it was the best so far, I had the urge to get on here and speak my Harmonious opinion. Since the very first movie I have LOVED H/Hr. I never even had a thought of R/Hr in my mind of being thought of as the "canon" couple. So after watching the first four movies, back to back, I was itching for more of a fix so I went out and bought all of the books. Now I was still on winter break from college at the time so I read the first three in like a day each...but then sadly I had to go back to school...boo, I know. I am an English major at school so I knew I was going to have to read some dumb books rather then what I actually wanted to read, but I made sure I was on Portkey regularly to read as much fanfic to hold me over until I could finish the next 3 books. So school ended and I went to Italy, and got busy, but then I finally started GoF. LOVED it! Throughout all these books I saw nothing but H/Hr canon, and evidence. And then I read OotP, which I just finished like 2 days ago. Well...I have a lot to say right now, so bare with me...

You all know the evidence, so I am not going to quote things from the text because honestly I would be here all night with all the H/Hr evidence I have found to support our ship. What I want to say is that I still believe there is a chance for us to see our ship sail...corny, yes I am haha. Anyway, why I believe this is because J.K. is brilliant. She is a brilliant author who gave us a series that we have come to love sooo much that we actually have to go on forums and talk to each other because the people around us get tired of hearing how much we love Harry Potter. She wrote this brilliant masterpiece, and I find her mind to be genius. She is just amazing, and I love her for the joy HP brings to my life. Knowing that, that she put all her efforts into writing a book for her own enjoyment, and I even heard her say once that it was her "child" I cannot believe it will end with anything but H/Hr.

Why do I believe this? Because you don't refer to a book series as your "child" unless you have nothing but the biggest and brightest futures for it. H/Hr's characters are potentially the best for a romance I have ever come across in a book, movie, or otherwise. They are each others equals, and they complete the other, they compliment the other, and so on and so forth.

Why do I believe this so strongly? Because I have loved on screen couples of t.v. since I first saw the Wonder Years, and ever since then I have been a helpless romantic. Scratch that...even before that when I was a child and I watched Cinderella I always believed in the "happily ever afters" and the "Prince Charmings" of the world. I want more then anything to fall in love, and find someone like H/Hr found in each other, even if they are fiction. They are the basis of all that a relationship should entail...trust, love, solidarity, loyalty, bravery, and everything else good. I can't believe that J.K. would refer to Harry Potter as her "child" if she didn't want him to have the very best in the end, and be the happiest he could be...that would only happen with someone who truely knows him, and loves him anyway....that would be Hermione.

Aside from that I can't believe that she would say she likes the shipping wars and arguments so much if she didn't think we actually had something to argue over...she did this on purpose! She set up so much H/Hr fondation in the first five books, and I haven't read HBP, but I know that in that she thought she was going to surprise everyone. She did, well us H/Hr fans anyway, and yeah it sucks, but I know that she just did it because she wanted to show that in adolescence you change, and you grow, and sometimes you think you have found your match and the person you want to be with, only to find out you were wrong...I believe this is why she tried to write a R/Hr romance. She wrote it shallowly simply because they don't mesh well together, she doesn't want it to seem like they do. I even heard Hermione's character changes drastically in HBP, and I don't believe J.K. would want her female main character to change over a boy, no matter if it's Ron or Harry. That is why I believe she told us to go back and reread...she didn't just means us, she meant the R/Hr fans as well because if you go back and reread you'll realize that yes, indeed, it was R/Hr in the 6th book and H/G, but it certainly doesn't mean that it's right, or going to last. And yes she did say Ginny was Harry's "ideal" girl, but since when is anything "ideal" in Harry's life? No...what is "ideal" never came easy to Harry, or stuck around so he will find Hermione instead, and realize that she was there the whole time...or so I believe.

Last but not least...why, I repeat WHY would J.K., knowing that she created one of the most famous book series in history, give away one of the most argued and anticipated plot points before the last book even came out? Why would she tell people "yes we know it's R/Hr" if it wasn't for good? She wouldn't, and if she would then she is absolutley foolish, but I have to believe that she isn't. I have to believe that she at least left some sort of mystery for us all in the last book. I believe she did that interview to show us all that it was R/Hr in the 6th book, and she even said H/Hr fans are such a big part of her following so she didn't want to offend us, but yes it was R/Hr in book 6. I know that, you know that, we ALL know that! But...and this is the big BUT that does not mean it's R/Hr in the last book. They weren't even together in the end of HBP were they? They all kind of fizzled out, right? Well...that just sets us up for DH, and by God I hope and pray that all this hoping and evidence is worth it. Thats what makes me uncomfortable...that after putting so much faith into J.K. it may not be worth it in the end...but it has to be. It just has to because H/Hr is like love...you can't see it, you can't touch it, but you know it's there because you can feel it...right beyond the veil. At least I hope so... whistling.gif
lovesharry
harmioney-love* - first I want to welcome you to Portkey! Second, I want to tell you that I enjoyed reading your post. It's so enthusiastic and cheerful. And, thank you for posting it. Made my day! smile.gif

You wrote - "... I hope and pray that all this hoping and evidence is worth it. Thats what makes me uncomfortable...that after putting so much faith into J.K. it may not be worth it in the end...but it has to be. It just has to because H/Hr is like love...you can't see it, you can't touch it, but you know it's there because you can feel it...right beyond the veil. At least I hope so..."

(Bolding mine)

This is why we, as Harmonians, believe that it is H/Hr. We will always believe that they are the true ship. If JKR doesn't make it H/Hr in the end, we will have no choice but to accept what she wrote as canon. However, it won't make one bit of difference to those of us who are avid H/Hr shippers. Not delusional. Not militant. But avid. It's because we can actually feel the love between them!
harmioney-love*
lovesharry,

Thanks so much for your warm welcome...I love it here =] It's like THE best H/Hr site on the web...it has EVERYTHING! Haha. I'm really glad I made your day with my post, that makes me happy. smile.gif

I agree that no matter what happens I will always believe H/Hr to be the "canon" couple, even if J.K. doesn't end it with them. There was way too much canon in the first 5 books for it not to be them, but if she so chooses to break our hearts then what can we do? I will always have the first 5 to reread, and fanficion is my heart haha. We can feel the love...the question is, can everyone else? We shall soon see....

I wondered if you could help me answer a few questions since I'm new on here because I would really appreciate it. One- when I click bold to bold something it won't show up, only [b] does...how do I make it actually bold? Two-how do I get rid of the "ickle firstie" thingy on my page? Or does that not go away till you've been here a while? And three- I heard about the Room of Requirement on PK, and how you have to be 18 to read the fics, which I am. I was wondering how you find that and access it...if you could answer this stuff thatd be great. Thanks for sharing the H/Hr love...it's always nice to talk to people as avid as I am about them haha. thumbup.gif
harmioney-love*
Okay...I know this isn't where I should post this, but I tried to start a new topic twice and it wouldn't show...I don't know why, so I am posting it here...I am copying this from my topic...

Hey Guys,

I have already posted this once before, but when I went to see if it was posted it wasn't, and when I went under my name to see topics I posted it wasn't there...so hopefully it works this time. This is my first topic starter, so maybe thats why?... ANYWAY, I was on YouTube today, and I came across this conference interview for OotP, and while it had some good factors there was one that devastated me...

They asked Emma what she wanted to happen to Hermione in the last book.
She joked and said hopefully she's not dead, which was funny, and I love her because she is my FAV. among the actors and characters. Then she said she would like to see her doing something good for the world, like maybe continuing S.P.E.W. Then she went ahead and broke my heart by saying she hopes Hermione and Ron get married, and have lots of babies. I almost cried. Like I knew she was a R/Hr shipper, and I know it shouldn't bother me, but it like weakens my certainty in our ship prevailing in DH when the actors themselves want R/Hr, esp. the actor that plays Hermione. Like if she is so stuck on R/Hr how can I see hope for H/Hr? I can't...I was on one of my certain days yesturday, and now I'm despairing. And I know they don't really know for sure what is going to happen, but they have been around J.K. before and I'm sure they talked about the books, and they must really know it's R/Hr for certain...they have to. I just, I'm...sigh...I'm sad right now. sadwalk.gif If you want to watch the video that caused my current mood you can watch it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VR_w_ayFKYg
Nora
harmioney-love*, don't be sad. There's no need. The actors are only voicing their opinion like everyone else. Rupert once said the following:

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Rupert: Everyone expects that Ron and Hermione will go out, but I don't think that would be an effective finish. I have to say the idea doesn't delight me.


See? They don't know anymore than we do. David Yates said that JKR didn't tell him anything particularly relevant about book 7, so why would she tell the actors? The only person she spilled the beans to is her husband.

Let Emma be a Heron. She'll have to eat her words in 22 days. wink.gif

Edit: Besides, Emma contradicts herself a bit. She says she's become a lot like Hermione and when asked who she would personally choose, Harry, Krum or Ron, she picked Harry. wink.gif
harmioney-love*
Nora,

I know I shouldn't be sad because the actors don't know anymore then we do, and they just want to see the books end the way they want as well, but I just feel like Emma should be a Harmonian lol. I know it's stupid, but it really made me upset...I'm a sap, what can I say?

I never knew Rupert said that...what was it from? And do you know if Dan ever commented on who he ships?

Even if I can't be happy about Emma being a Heron, I still have trouble putting 100% of my faith in J.K....I'm trying though because I think she's too brillant to pass up on having the best romance in literature end without even a giving it a proper beginning. Fingers are crossed dots.gif

Did Emma say she would pick Harry? Well thats just because I think she likes the looks of Dan haha. I was always a Dan/Emma shipper too...I think they are adorable...again, I know...SAP! Shoot me now haha.

But thanks for trying to cheer me up, it helped some. smile.gif I'm just so nervous because I want a happy ending for H/Hr...I know we all do.
Nora
QUOTE(harmioney-love* @ Jun 28 2007, 05:14 PM) *

Nora,

I know I shouldn't be sad because the actors don't know anymore then we do, and they just want to see the books end the way they want as well, but I just feel like Emma should be a Harmonian lol. I know it's stupid, but it really made me upset...I'm a sap, what can I say?


Actually, if it ends H/Hr, I think Emma will be the first to change her mind. She's just going with the flow, really. I don't think that she would ever dislike H/Hr if it was written well (especially not if she pictures Dan and her acting the scenes out.... wink.gif ). I don't think she has ever really thought about the potential that H/Hr have.

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I never knew Rupert said that...what was it from? And do you know if Dan ever commented on who he ships?


I don't remember where it's from. Dan only said that he expects R/Hr, but he didn't really favor any couple, I think.

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Even if I can't be happy about Emma being a Heron, I still have trouble putting 100% of my faith in J.K....I'm trying though because I think she's too brillant to pass up on having the best romance in literature end without even a giving it a proper beginning. Fingers are crossed dots.gif


I understand. smile.gif What helps me is reminding myself of her favorite books: trust me, no relationships in these books resemble R/Hr, but H/Hr all the way. JK said she writes what she likes to read.

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Did Emma say she would pick Harry? Well thats just because I think she likes the looks of Dan haha. I was always a Dan/Emma shipper too...I think they are adorable...again, I know...SAP! Shoot me now haha.


She said she'd pick Harry because he's intelligent. smile.gif

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But thanks for trying to cheer me up, it helped some. smile.gif I'm just so nervous because I want a happy ending for H/Hr...I know we all do.


LOL, I feel like running in circles and tearing my hair out, actually. Hang in there: only 22 days and then we'll know once and for all.

We'll be fine no matter what happens. smile.gif
xCarpeDiem
Didn't Dan once say something about liking the idea of Harry and Luna? I remember this, because I read it off of an interview that was posted on HPANA.

I may not be a huge Rupert fan, but I love him for not being in love with R/Hr like the Herons would want him to be! He seems really uncomfortable about having to do romantic scenes with Emma, and he seems to be aware of the fact that they do not have chemistry. It's also great that he realizes how anticlimatic a Ron and Hermione ending would be.

And Emma .... I think she really is going with the flow. I think she's saying that she believes it to be R/Hr, because that is what's 'obvious'. She's not a real fan of the books, so she's not too reliable. She's just casually stating her opinion. If H/Hr were to happen, I think she WOULD admit she was wrong about it and that she loved the twist, because it was something she herself was not expecting.

I think it would work out for everyone. Rupert would be let off the hook of having to awkwardly do romantic scenes with Emma; Emma and Dan will get to show off some more of that fantastic chemistry!

See everyone would win. Well, except Bonnie .... but who cares, right? Hehe. thumbup.gif
Kinem
Ugh. None of the actors should be used as evidence. This thread is supposed to be about our best arguments, and what the actors think, or how hot you think some of them are together is irrelevant. Sorry to vent but I'm tired of Dan and Emma being brought into every discussion when how much chemistry you think they have or how cute dan is or how awkward a kiss between rupert and emma would be matters absolutely zero to what the final outcome may or may not be.
AdamantEve
QUOTE(xCarpeDiem @ Jun 28 2007, 01:49 PM) *

And Emma .... I think she really is going with the flow. I think she's saying that she believes it to be R/Hr, because that is what's 'obvious'. She's not a real fan of the books, so she's not too reliable. She's just casually stating her opinion. If H/Hr were to happen, I think she WOULD admit she was wrong about it and that she loved the twist, because it was something she herself was not expecting.

I don't know about Emma not being a real fan of the books. From what I've heard, she wrote pages and pages of character assessment of Hermione and that'd be hard to do if she didn't read the books well enough in the first place.

All in all, it's a bit hard to say whether she's a fan or not, but I wouldn't say she isn't a real fan just because she ships RHr. Come on, now, eh?
gluglug
Sometimes I wonder if Emma is really a closet Harmonian but doesn't say so for two reasons. Didn't she say that if she, Emma, had to choose, she'd go with Harry?

1) She's on board the OBHWF train because that's what most people think is going to happen and she doesn't want to rock the boat. (geez, I'm mixing my metaphors here!)

2) If she said I want H/Hr, wouldn't the media be all over her about Dan? That would give them an opening to ask her "How would you feel about kissing Dan on screen, if that happened?" Given her coy answers and giggly behavior around him, she would turn positively maroon if asked, and totally confirm that she has more than sisterly feelings for him (as if we need more confirmation about that).



lovesharry
QUOTE(gluglug @ Jun 28 2007, 03:29 PM) *

Sometimes I wonder if Emma is really a closet Harmonian but doesn't say so for two reasons. Didn't she say that if she, Emma, had to choose, she'd go with Harry?

1) She's on board the OBHWF train because that's what most people think is going to happen and she doesn't want to rock the boat. (geez, I'm mixing my metaphors here!)

2) If she said I want H/Hr, wouldn't the media be all over her about Dan? That would give them an opening to ask her "How would you feel about kissing Dan on screen, if that happened?" Given her coy answers and giggly behavior around him, she would turn positively maroon if asked, and totally confirm that she has more than sisterly feelings for him (as if we need more confirmation about that).

Here's a video on You Tube regarding her choosing Harry over Ron and Krum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJbYzZWg1o&NR=1

I have always heard that Emma is a Heron although I'm not so sure why. I might be wrong, but, I don't think she has read the books, at least not all of them. So, she might be basing her shippiness on the movies, which baffles me, because I personally don't see R/Hr in them. Maybe, I'm just too blind to see it since all I see is H/Hr in the books and the movies! rolleyes.gif

Also, it could be that she's being wishy-washy because JKR has asked her not to comment much on the subject. Who knows? And, quite frankly who cares?! If indeed Emma is a Heron, then I would have to argue with her the way I would the average Heron! I'd place my hands on her shoulders, look her square in the eye and say - "It's H/Hr, can't you see it? You'd rather snog Rupert as Ron than Dan as Harry?! Are you crazy?!"
Vespasian
The only thing that really makes me nervous is the IoD. And, believe me, right now I am thanking my lucky stars that so far Mugglenet and the Leaky Cauldron haven't announced they are interviewing JK after the release of DH. If that happens my head will probably implode.

However, I still believe the actual text trumps any interviews given and, that being said, I think the text of HP is our best evidence. I'm a shipper and I know my views of authorial intent are likely skewed, but below are 10 moments that I believe hint there is more to H/H than just friendship.
Now, I've only read HBP once so unfortunately I can't bring up anything in that book.

1. Krum and Cho's jealousy.
Why make both Krum and Cho jealous of Harry and Hermione's relationship? That makes it an established pattern and those are supposed to mean something in novels. (I particularly love that Cho implies Hermione can do no wrong in Harry's eyes and pretty much calls her Harry's 'darling'.).

2. Hermione's actions around Krum
JK establishes that Hermione talks about Harry all the time, even though Krum never asks her one single thing about Harry. This is a parallel to CoS when Ron reveals to Harry that Ginny talks about him all the time - and we all know that Ginny has a crush on Harry at that time (little did we know it would last another four years!).

Also - if I remember correctly - after the 2nd task Krum confesses to Hermione that she makes him feel things he's never felt before. But Hermione is too busy with Harry to pay much attention.

3. Harry and Hermione at the Yule Ball
JK goes out of her way to show that Harry can/does find Hermione pretty. A dropping jaw is fairly unambiguous.

4. Hermione kissing Harry's cheek
JK makes a point to write that Hermione's kiss on Harry's cheek is something she's never done before. Why should we, as the reader, care if it's only a kiss from one friend to another? But JK specifically lets us know that this is the first time Hermione kisses Harry.

5. When Hermione gets Harry out of Buckbeak's room at Grimmauld Place
At Grimmauld Place Harry is surrounded by some of the people he loves most in the world, people who love him very much in return - including Super!Ginny. But instead of Sirius (possibly making his death even more poignant), or Ron, or Remus, JK uses Hermione as the catalyst to get Harry out of that room. She appears after a lengthy absence in the text to, in a sense, rescue Harry.

6. Hermione asking Harry to knit with her
I believe this scene is a great hint for H/H. JK shows Hermione's intent to get Harry to spend some time with her and, when he shoots her down, we are treated to Hermione's look of disappointment.

7. Hermione's reaction to the Harry's kiss with Cho
Hermione's reaction to Harry's kiss with Cho is suspect. She is obviously not pleased and there are various interpretations as to why. In either case, JK chose to write a scene in which we see Hermione react cryptically/unfavorably to Harry's liplock with Cho - a contrast to Ron's exuberant reaction. Hermione just also happens to be writing to Krum. Speculation: Now, I believe that Krum knows about Hermione's feelings for Harry and that he confronted her about them in GoF. As such, faced with Harry's burgeoning romance with Cho, Hermione writes a lengthy letter to Krum to vent her jealousy/confusion/anger. After all, he may be the only person she can talk to about her feelings for Harry. whistling.gif

8. Harry grabs Hermione in DoM
Harry doesn't grab Hermione because she is closest to him, he grabs Hermione because JK wants him to. Heck, he probably didn't have to grab anyone at all as his hands are arguably full with his wand and the prophecy he has to protect. But he still grabs Hermione's robes (because he wants to make sure she stays with him and gets to safety!). Someone somewhere (here?) mentioned that this scene shows Harry's answer to the question of what he would save if he could only save one thing from a burning building. I could not agree more.

9. Hermione's injury in the DoM
Here's another one that not everyone will agree with. In this part of the novel JK has to get Harry's friends out of the way (with the exception of Neville) so Harry can face Voldemort alone. But, once again, I argue that JK chose to put Hermione out of commission in such a way as to hint at Harry's deeper feelings. She could have knocked Hermione unconscious in another way - perhaps a stunner to the face like Ginny received? Harry is usually adept at thinking under pressure but instead JK makes Harry fear for Hermione's life and wig out in such a way as he can't even pull himself together enough to think to take her pulse.

10. Hermione reacting to Umbridge's threat to curse Harry
This is another one people may find sketchy - but I'm pleading intent here! When Umbride is going to curse Harry no one is written to have any type of reaction - except for Hermione who shrieks and shouts in a cracked voice. There's not even a muffled protest from anyone else until they think Hermione is going to spill the beans to Umbridge. So yeah - another instance (in my eyes) to show that Hermione will be there for Harry even if no one else can or will be!
xCarpeDiem
QUOTE(AdamantEve @ Jun 28 2007, 11:49 AM) *

QUOTE(xCarpeDiem @ Jun 28 2007, 01:49 PM) *

And Emma .... I think she really is going with the flow. I think she's saying that she believes it to be R/Hr, because that is what's 'obvious'. She's not a real fan of the books, so she's not too reliable. She's just casually stating her opinion. If H/Hr were to happen, I think she WOULD admit she was wrong about it and that she loved the twist, because it was something she herself was not expecting.

I don't know about Emma not being a real fan of the books. From what I've heard, she wrote pages and pages of character assessment of Hermione and that'd be hard to do if she didn't read the books well enough in the first place.

All in all, it's a bit hard to say whether she's a fan or not, but I wouldn't say she isn't a real fan just because she ships RHr. Come on, now, eh?


Um, that's not what I was saying at all?

I WAS saying that perhaps because (from what I've gathered) she was not a Harry Potter fan in the first place, she isn't really into the books; Rupert is the same, isn't he? I think of all the young actors the actress who plays Luna is the only HP fanatic. So what I WAS getting at, was that MAYBE she has vocally expressed her belief that R/Hr will happen, because from her point of view, that's what she see's in the movies. It's not like she's rereading all six books several times. So I am not saying she's not a real fan because she ships R/Hr. Give me a break. I said she's not a real fan of the books, as in meaning she has not read the books many times if at all. Which is the truth. Get me?

Basically, she's not a big fan and maybe that could be why she seems to think R/Hr will be together in the end. If she were really into HP and still liked R/Hr anyway, I would still like her as much as ever. That's her choice. I just think her shipping R/Hr has to do with the way she views it as being obvious in the movie script. Maybe if she read the books she'd feel differently. It's not like I'm saying R/Hr fans aren't real Harry Potter fans, so I have no idea why you're trying to make it seem as if I said that, when really all I was saying was that she's not a really big fan of the books and maybe that's why she likes R/Hr so much.
harmioney-love*
Nora,

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Actually, if it ends H/Hr, I think Emma will be the first to change her mind. She's just going with the flow, really. I don't think that she would ever dislike H/Hr if it was written well (especially not if she pictures Dan and her acting the scenes out.... wink.gif ). I don't think she has ever really thought about the potential that H/Hr have.


Yes...I guess I can see Emma just going along with the flow of the books, but for someone who loves her character as much as she claims to I expected her to want her to end up with Harry. I don't think she would object either because it's not like J.K. will write the books for anyone but herself...I just hope shes a suprise, secret, has been the whole time, H/Hr shipper haha.

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I understand. smile.gif What helps me is reminding myself of her favorite books: trust me, no relationships in these books resemble R/Hr, but H/Hr all the way. JK said she writes what she likes to read.


I don't know J.K.s fav. books, but I do know she likes Jane Austin's works...I heard something about the book Emma, but I never read it myself. It's funny that Emma is the name of the actor that plays Hermione, and the name of J.K.'s fav. book... I'm sure there's no relevance at all, but it's still a funny coincidence.

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She said she'd pick Harry because he's intelligent. smile.gif


Yeah...I actually did see the video because someone posted the link on here I think. She said it was a toss up between Harry and Ron, but that she would pick Harry.

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LOL, I feel like running in circles and tearing my hair out, actually. Hang in there: only 22 days and then we'll know once and for all.


I feel the same way...in fact after I saw that clip today I had no appetite to eat because I am so tense with how it's all going to end, asking myself a million questions like if there is going to be any romance at all in the last book, are they all going to live, if there is romance will J.K. prove everyone
wrong with it being R/Hr and show us it's been H/Hr the entire time...a million other things, but them being the biggest...so yeah, I can hear you on the tearing your hair out part haha. 22 days seems like a millenium haha. Thankfully I am psyched for OotP...I can't wait!!!!

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We'll be fine no matter what happens. smile.gif


I'm praying you're right haha. innocent.gif
harmonious love
QUOTE(lovesharry @ Jun 28 2007, 02:48 PM) *

Here's a video on You Tube regarding her choosing Harry over Ron and Krum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJbYzZWg1o&NR=1

I have always heard that Emma is a Heron although I'm not so sure why. I might be wrong, but, I don't think she has read the books, at least not all of them. So, she might be basing her shippiness on the movies, which baffles me, because I personally don't see R/Hr in them. Maybe, I'm just too blind to see it since all I see is H/Hr in the books and the movies! rolleyes.gif

Also, it could be that she's being wishy-washy because JKR has asked her not to comment much on the subject. Who knows? And, quite frankly who cares?! If indeed Emma is a Heron, then I would have to argue with her the way I would the average Heron! I'd place my hands on her shoulders, look her square in the eye and say - "It's H/Hr, can't you see it? You'd rather snog Rupert as Ron than Dan as Harry?! Are you crazy?!"

That video just made my day!!!!! heart.gif heart.gif
That's weird that she seems like she wants R/Hr to happen, but then she would personally choose Harry. I am going crazy waiting for OotP and DH!!!! I wish I had my books here so I could re-read!!!!!!
Nora
Well there you go, a recent interview with Emma:

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Will Ron and Hermione finally admit their feelings?

Emma: Nothing’s sure. And I can’t tell you anything because I haven’t read a line of HP and the Deathly Hallows.


She knows just as much as we do.
harmioney-love*
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Will Ron and Hermione finally admit their feelings?

Emma: Nothing’s sure. And I can’t tell you anything because I haven’t read a line of HP and the Deathly Hallows.


Nora,

I already knew that, but it still made my day to hear her say "nothing's sure" because nothing is sure, and that means we have just as much a chance of watching a H/Hr happy ending happy then a R/Hr one...I'm hoping we have an even better chance though ahha.
Ravenclaw(d69)
Hey it really doesnt matter what the stars think. They have their own opinions based on how they interpret the books, just like all of us. But that whole interview when Emma chooses Harry over Ron and Krum was really cute I liked that. You'd think that Emma was a Harmonian but guess not.
JustAHungarianGirl
Personally I don't really care what Emma thinks or doesn't think. Even she admitted, that she knows just as much about DH as we do.

I hope it's H/Hr in the end (just like almost everyone on this site), but I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much. I guess, thanks to fanfiction, I could live with R/Hr and maybe H/G, but only if it's not too fluffy and all. And frankly, I can't see JKR writing fluff scenes. online2long.gif

It helps my confidence regarding H/Hr in DH, that all of you have soooo much good theories and quotes froom cannon, for which I have to thank all of you.

I can't wait till DH is released, whether it's H/Hr or not (preferably H/Hr).

Oh, who am I kidding!? I just can't live without H/Hr. I guess fanfiction keeps me alive.

I can't believe I won't be home on July 21st. it's not fair! SuperAngry.gif
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