I was just posting this in the HBP discussion – my favorite “subtle” H/Hr moment is the their hug in the hospital wing towards the end of HBP. What is subtle about this hug?

“Hermione ran to Harry and hugged him” is all the sentence says and then we read that Harry is looking over her shoulder (it’s assumed that she is still in his arms) at Bill. This moment is subtle because:

1) As usual, there is nothing about Harry’s reaction to Hermione’s hug. There is also no dialogue between them. No “Oh Harry I was so worried…” or Hermione babbling like she did in the “when pigs fly” hug. It's almost as if JKR slipped this sentence in under the radar - she didn't make a big deal of it.

2) Ginny is probably standing near Harry and is watching this happening. Hermione is hugging her boyfriend yet Ginny didn’t do anything to comfort Harry other than take him by the hand and lead him back to the castle (into Hermione's arms).

3) We don’t know how long the hug lasted – JKR never tells us when they let go of each other.

4) Throughout the book, Hermione has not been touching Harry much (the usual arm grabbing and hugging has been lacking) as a way to distance herself from him. However, by end of the story – she has stopped doing this and literally runs into his arms (awww).

Well I really like the quotes in my signatures, all though it seems they er.. have been mention, by none other than the topic starter! Well so what, they were there first. But yes there is another one I really like .. ''Isn't it obvious?' she [Hermione] said. 'I'm talking about you Harry.' Really like that one aswell. Oh the goodness

-- Dominique x

Absolutely right - I've been saying this for months - Ginny has literally led Harry into Hermione's arms, he's obviously let go of Ginny's hand to embrace Hermione, and at this moment Hermione has re-asserted herself as Harry's Number One Girl. Ginny's slipping away and is officially relegated to the bench before the end of the book. To her credit, I think she saw the writing on the wall by the time the axe fell, and she didn't really argue.

This hospital scene also spells the beginning of the end of any Ron/Hermione relationship. They've both matured during HBP to the point where they understand and respect each other, and they are much closer (I couldn't see Ron comforting Hermione in an earlier book in the way he did at Dumbledore's funeral, for example). But if Hermione's supposed to be destined to be a Weasley, why would she abandon the group surrounding Bill's bed (her love's brother, her own future brother-in-law) to greet Harry with such a loving hug. And the hug lasted - the next bit of conversation took place with H/Hr still in an embrace. If Hermione was in love with Ron, she'd be much quicker at ending the hug with Harry, especially as Ron was present (as was Ginny of course). She'd spent most of the book distancing herself emotionally from Harry (deliberately IMO as she was scared of what might happen to him/them) but at the last she found she couldn't keep it up - because she is madly in love with him. At the end she fully endorses the pledge voiced by Ron that the two of them will stick by him until the end. She will NEVER abandon him, even if her asks her to - unlike someone else we could mention.

This is the biggest anvil of all the anvils in HBP, and it's Harmony, not Heron.

And thus the Green Lion does her job, after thoroughly preparing the sun she brings him to the Moon for the chemical wedding. Sorry, I'm seeing alchemy everywhere.

The Green Lion (also known as The Peacock's Tail) represents the stage in alchemy where the alchemist comes to a false conclusion. However what the Green Lion's job is, is to prepare the Sun to merge with the Moon. The Sun is the male aspect... So Ginny being the Green Lion doesn't surprise me at all.

Here's a pic:



~Salamon2

Well, I found another one. I really don't know if it really is a "subtle" moment or just coincidence, but here I go...

When Ron is celebrating in the common room along with everybody else that he had been elected the Gryffindor keeper, we see Hermione asleep in an armchair. There must have been a lot of noises in the room, however, our Hermione doesn't wake up. Still, she jumps with a start when Harry comes near her and puts down his school bag. It's like she sensed it was him. How sweet...

I've thought of another...


(bolding - mine)

After over 5 1/2 years of friendship, JK shows us (as she has time and time and time again), that it is, and will always be, Hermione who knows Harry best. I swear, if it were'nt for Ron, they wouldn't need to speak at all. They know each other that well.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but in HBP when they're spying on Draco under the cloak and Hermione "breathes" in Harry's ear about where she saw him go, when I read that, I thought it was the sexiest thing that I have read in the Harry Potter series to date. I mean JKR could have chosen whispered, or you know worded it another way, but breathing in an ear, c'mon!!!!

I just have to say that I will always love this topic so, so much.

She did that in OoTP too, I think. Quite a good habit of hers, I might add--

Miss Mady

Oh yes I loved that as well and I do think it has been mentioned a time or two......I think it even had its own thread at one point but it has been awhile. That isn't the only time she breathed in his ear either.

I just can't believe that JK didn't know what she was writing when that little piece spilled out of her quill and onto the paper. She is setting it up people! Wait for it! It's going to be great!

And even if she doesn't well......who cares? Their friendship in all 6 of the books have more emotion and love in them than any of the "canon" ships to date, so I"ll be just fine.

I'm glad I ship H/Hr instead of R/Hr or H/G because their ships are just too hollow.

And shallow.

Miss Mady

I absolutely love this thread, and I think that there are a bunch of subtle moments in the movies too. I mean, in POA, Harry was holding Hermione's hand the entire time just about. I mean I know they wanted to stay together, but they didn't have to hold hands to do that, so that shows me that they are headed to more than just friends. during the entire time they are back in time together, there is rarely a moment when they aren't sharing some sort of physical contact. Another time is in the GOF movie. When Hermione comes to the tent, when they are standing in the cirlce, they immediately reach for each others hand. I think this is proof that they are meant for each other, and subconciously want to be together, even if they don't completely realize it yet.
-Hermione's Shadow

That's a great one! I forgot about that! So true! Ron's shocked, but Hermione knew. Awesome moment!

Well supposely when JKR saw POA she was shocked at how some of the scenes foretell what happens in the 7 book. I wonder sometimes what scenes she was talking about? If it has anything to do with how close Harry and Hermione are in this movie, then I am all for book 7.

PoA was probably one of the MOST shippiest movies for H/Hr to date. they were always touching one another and to be honest Ron didn't play that big of a part in it. I know he did in the book a bit but they even gave some of Ron's lines to Hermione to make her more prominent.

That has to mean something. Jk doesn't give them complete freedom to do what they will. I mean she gives input about what can and cannot be done so I really think that JK is really a secret H/Hr shipper.

I liked it best when JKR said that she was amazed at how the "kids" (Dan, Emma, and Rupert, pressumably) picked up on the "subtle" relationships from the books. At that time, book 4 was already out. One couldn't exactly stick "subtle" for the so-called relationship of Hermione and Ron, so exactly *what* subtle relationship is she talking about? :wink, nudge::

I was listening to PoA in the car today, and a line jumped out at me. I had noticed the eagle quill before (Hermione's gift to Harry from CoS, I believe). I've always loved the heart-leap Harry has when he opens Hermione's birthday gift to him--the girl knows this boy's desires.

But what struck me was, as Vernon and Harry are having a bit of a tiff over Aunt Marge and Harry's permission slip, JKR writes that Harry wished he were upstairs with his broom-servicing kit. He wouldn't desire Hermione (he's 13 and she's his bud...they're not there yet), but he desires time alone *upstairs* in his room with her gift. Sounds like love by proxy to me!

Agnes

I love reading all this.

So here is my input:

And it clicked. He was best at flying. He needed to pass the dragon in the air. For that he needed his Firebolt, he needed –
“Hermione,” Harry whispered, when he had sped into the greenhouse three minutes later, uttering a hurried apology to Professor Sprout as he passed her.
U.S. ed. pg 345 -GoF


"He needed Hermione" such a true sentence. Even though all Harry was referring to was to her teaching him the Accio spell, JKR loves to play with our shipping oriented minds, doesn't she?


This another one I quite enjoy:


“He's supposed to work out the clue on his own,” Hermione said swiftly. “It’s in the tournament rules…”
“I was supposed to work out how to get past the dragon on my own too,” Harry muttered, so only Hermione could hear him, and she grinned rather guiltily. U.S. ed. Pg 365

That's the Hermione we all know and love.

That's what I've always been confused about, is the movie shipping and the book shipping don't correspond. If the final pairing is to be R/Hr, why not hint at that in the movies, to build a larger fanbase for those who don't read the books? But again and again in the movies we see Harry and Hermione grow closer and closer to something that is certainly not friendship. Thoughts?

I therefore conclude, that H/Hr have more chemistry on screen and in the books Am sorry, but thats the truth! Hehehehe!!! Right?
Hopefully, they will be the final pairing in the end...

"PoA was probably one of the MOST shippiest movies for H/Hr to date. they were always touching one another and to be honest Ron didn't play that big of a part in it. I know he did in the book a bit but they even gave some of Ron's lines to Hermione to make her more prominent.

That has to mean something. Jk doesn't give them complete freedom to do what they will. I mean she gives input about what can and cannot be done so I really think that JK is really a secret H/Hr shipper."

- Although R/Hr shippers can argue that Ron was injured and couldn't stand they could've made him say "if you kill Harry you have to kill us too" to Sirius instead of Hermione. They could've made Ron point his wand towards Sirius with Hermione to the side of Harry and as well wand raised. Instead they have Ron whimpering off to the side with fear for his life while Hermione is guarding Harry. We do know that Hermione would to any extremes to protect Harry which sure does raise a red flag to me to show the protectiveness of Hermione towards Harry and which will prominent throughout the rest of the series as we seen.

I do have to agree that Harry and Hermione are always close to each other and always touching each other which shows the protection of h/hr towards one another.

Okay, this morning I was really mad at my parents. So mad I decided not to leave my room til noon. To keep myself from getting bored, I decided to re-read GoF.
Guess what I found. Something that no one (I know of) has found before!


GoF
Chapter 20 (The First Task)
American Edition
Hardcover
Page 345


More or less...
[b]He needed Hermione

I like this. Basicly Harry's just saying how much he needs her!

Also, this was really funny.

GoF
Chapter 20 (The First Task)
American Edition
Hardcover
Page 345



And then farther down the page...



They both say (almost) the exact same sentence. Funny.

Edited to fix tags ~ Bec AKA Harry/Hermione 4eva

I don't know if this fully counts as a 'subtle' moment or what but...
Is it just me, or in the movie of PoA when Hermione was pulling Harry away after he first saw their past selves that it looked like she was about to snog him senseless? I mean the way she pulled him back and shoved him into the wall before stepping closer to him was screaming 'SNOG ALERT!' in my head. I swear my heart stopped for a good moment but then she took out her timeturner.
I don't know. Was this just me or did someone else catch this?

It just goes to show that Dan and Emma (like Harry and Hermione) just have that chemistry between them. And why JKR allows it in the films baffles me. It just confirms to me that she is going to make it H/Hr in the end. All of this mess in HBP (H/G and a jealous Hermione) is just red herring!

H/Hr forever!

I simply see HBP as the perfect reasons why H/G and R/H cannot exist.

I agree, and Dumbledore's funeral symbolizes the death of OBHWF in more ways than one.

My favorite subtle moment is when Harry stops comparing Hermione to McGonagall and starting thinking of Hermione's mannerisms as her own (i.e., most Hermionelike glare)

Well I think every single time Harry and Hermione have physical contact almost like a security blanket type tick, it's a "subtle" moment. They automatically go to each other in dramatic times.

Don't let the absolutely twisted logic of Herons get to you -- that they're so platonic they have no problem being so close.
I notice the Herons don't use the same logic for the few "physical contact" moments they have going for them...

When Hermione kisses Ron on the cheek or Ron strokes Hermione's hair, it's suddenly romantic! But all the Harry/Hermione contact which comes much more often and in times of peril when it matters, no, those are all platonic...

MAKES ME SICK!

Of course the Herons can say everything is so bloody platonic. But sit and think about that for a moment. Harry and Ron knew each other first. So by all means shouldn't they be a bit closer. I can understand that they're guys and all and it's not 'manly' but an arm around a shoulder is not a big deal. Harry, if you notice, is almost never the one to CONSCIOUSLY touch someone outside of getting their attention. I believe Hermione's hug and kiss at the end of GoF was the first true time someone had touched him in such a way.
PLATONIC MY ARSE! If this is them being 'platonic', I'd love to see them in a romantic light!

Hear, hear WolvesSorrow! I think that fact that they have sublte shipping moments is what makes this a very intersting "platonic" relationship. I love them all!

i'm so delusional that i like to believe that harry do that "miserable gesture" because of ron holding hermione


proud to be delusional !!!!

Heck yeah it is! With a miserable gesture (at Ron and Hermione), Harry got up...

Miss Mady

hmmm... I would say my fave would have to be, Harry Potter and the Half blood Prince, chapter 14 Felix Felicis page 301-302. This is when Hermione sees Ron kissing Lavender and gets angry, then stalks off into an empty class-room not noticing that Harry saw her. They talk in the room for only a few moments before stupid Ron and Lavender come barging into the room braking the moment. It kinda makes you wonder what would have happened if Ron and all had not come in on them.....

clicky!

I'm sorry but what does JKR mean by "miserable gesture" ?? can someone tell me by what she meant by that? is it a "miserable gesture" as in a dirty look or what?I'm all confused .....

PearlofHeart, at this point, it means whatever you want it to mean!

PearlofHeart
"Ron, he[Harry] saw, was now holding Hermione and stroking her hair while she sobbed into his shoulder, tears dripping from the end of his own long nose. With a miserable gesture, Harry got up"


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Wretched - wretchedly unhappy, uneasy, or uncomfortable: miserable victims of war.

Gesture- a movement or position of the hand, arm, body, head, or face that is expressive of an idea, opinion, emotion, etc.: the gestures of an orator; a threatening gesture.

So in other words he (Harry) waved a unhappy sad goodbye to his to best friends, remember at this point he thinks he's going to be alone next year for Voldy hunt. Also due to the funeral going on, it's normal for one to do something like that. I don't think it was a sing of anger from Harry towards Ron and Hermione but more a sad, if I die I will never see you two again kind of way

I'm still delusional to my very core, so I'm going with the "miserable gesture" to mean R/Hr. I mean, he was uncomfortable with the idea earlier, wasn't he, in Herbology prior to Slughorn's party?

Well yeah but I seem to remember him being uncomfortable because it might cause the trio to be akward.... but he didn't really seem to be jealous or feeling weird in any way...

Although that doesn't mean that his reaction would be calm and level-headed if Ron and Hermione really cross the line into actual romance in book 7... Here's too hoping that it wouldn't be!

I think because all the better H/Hr moments are subtle makes them scream and jump out at you more. R/Hr can be as anvil sized as they want to be. H/Hr is still way better BECAUSE it's not so obvious!

I don't think we'd get jealousy out of Harry even then. I'm more along the lines of thinking it'd be like in Emma. Emma isn't insanely jealous when she finds out Harriet loves Mr. Knightley and thinks Mr. Knightley likes her back, au contraire, Emma feels an overwhelming sense of despair. She suddenly realizes that she loves Mr. Knightley, but is about to lose him when she realized he was always there for the taking, only her foolish blindness kept her from realizing what she had. Emma can't bear the thought of Mr. Knightley being married to anyone else, and grows more silent, and sad after this realization, not insanely jealous. Emma can't bear the news, it would break her heart in two.

This is what could happen:

This scenario takes place after the defeat of Voldemort.

Harry talks with Ron, who after a nasty injury from prior to the battle with Voldemort is healing in a room at St. Mungo's. And he's going on about a girl that he just realized he loves, and since Harry suffers from the delusion that Ron likes Hermione automatically assumes that Ron is talking about Hermione. However Ron remains ambiguous as to who is the girl he means. Hermione then comes in and Ron says how convienent and that he wants to ask Hermione something, Harry leaves, thinking Ron wants to ask Hermione to be his girlfriend.

Harry goes a little depressive and withdraws, suddenly realizing that he's about to lose the thing he always had but was too blind to see.

(In my mind Ginny at this point is either dead or ran off with either Draco or Dean, Dean is who I think most likely at this point... fits with the Henry Crawford parallel [If you want to know that just ask me... I'll be glad to run through Mansfield Park once more to prove it could happen])

In walks Hermione, coming to tell Harry something, because besides wanting to check on Ron that's why she originally went into the room.

She starts off the conversation though by thinking Harry's upset because he just heard that Ginny ran off with someone else. Harry surprises Hermione by saying that's not what's causing him grief. Hermione then, embolded by this info says that she can't stand it anymore and has to tell him something

Harry thinks that Hermione's going to tell him that she and Ron are together, and begs her to not say anything. Hermione hears this and hurries off, obviously hurt. Harry feeling like a heel follows her and asks for her to continue, and that as a friend he should be able to hear whatever she has to say (as he steels himself for the worst: She's going out with Ron).

Hermione goes off on the friends comment.

"Just as friends? Just as friends then... is that how you see me? Tell me Harry, don't I even have a chance?"

She then goes into admitting why she originally came, and Harry just sits there dumbfounded. Hermione taking his silence as meaning no, gets up and Harry stops her, says that he does like her that way, and explains how he's been suffering from a delusion.

"Ron? You thought I was in love with Ron? Harry, come with me, Ron has something to tell you"

Go in and confront Ron,

"You thought I liked Hermione? I'm sorry but that's just... disgusting! No offense intended Hermione, but I think of you a lot like my sister" said Ron

"None taken" said Hermione

"But you said you just realized that you loved a girl" said Harry

"I was talking about Luna" said Ron sheepishly

"What?! Luna?" asked Harry

"Yeah, ever since that time she did the Quidditch commentary she's sort of... grown on me. And since I've been cooped up here for the past few weeks, she's been visiting me everyday, while you were finishing Voldemort off. I tell you, if it hadn't been for her I would have gone crazy being stuck in here mate. She really knows how to make a bloke laugh" said Ron

"But what was it that you wanted to ask Hermione?" asked Harry

"Well after Lavender I really don't... uhh... well..." started Ron

"He wanted to know how he should ask her out! Ron, all you have to do is pluck up that courage you have in there and just ask her out! Stop doubting yourself! I doubt she'll refuse you" interupted Hermione

"I hope so" said Ron

That's my version of how it'll happen. Yes it's heavily based on what happened in Emma, but hey, I think it'll be something along those lines.

~Salamon2

merging this into a related thread ~gal-texter May2008

Book one - Hermione says to Harry He's going to be a great wizard.

Book Two - Harry rubs all on Hermione's hand when she is petrified showing he cares for her, he finds the paper clue in her hand.

Book Three - It's mostly Harry and Hermione in this movie, specifically at the end when they go back in time. Serious would not have lived with out her and BuckBeak either.

Book Four - Harry and Hermione are stated to be a couple but it's false, Hermione seems more calm than Harry about this matter. At end of book Hermione kisses Harry on cheek or in movie on top of head during 2nd Task.

Book Five - AND I STATE RON AND HERMIONE are injured quite badly in the D.O.M. Yet it is Hermione that Harry runs to and worries more about, crying out about how she just can't be dead... umm hmm.

Book Six - Harry Tries Ginny.... however this little affection kinda just pops out of no-where!? Hermione And Ron are very awkward towards each other for most of book.... actually scratch that, they have been awkward since the freaking book started!

Book Seven - ???


I would like to make a statement now or more comparison. Have any of you ever seen the show Lizzie McGuire? If so you may know that the show revolves mostly around her and her two friends. Lizzie, Miranda, and Gordo. Now if you saw the movie or the end of the show you come to find that Gordo her friend since like diaper age has a major crush on Lizzie and in the end they get together kinda.


Now you may be asking what the heck does this have to do with Harry Potter, specifically Hermione and Harry. Well you see the interesting thing is you can be friends with a person for years and years and they become like a brother or sister to you.... however if you are of the opposite sex then you may begin to acquire felling that are a little more than brotherly sisterly... hint hint like Lizzie and Gordo or many other books, movies, and shows.

So what I'm saying is that at what point do you realize that you best friend since you were a snotty little kid is now very much older and is HOT! Harry and Hermione have been close for a long time now and at different points in the story have moments of what we all like to call HARMONY!

Now Ron and Hermione on the other hand bicker all the time even though they act like they're friends and all, so can you get fillings for a person you argue with that much and is immature like that?


I think in book 7 there will possible be a very awkward moment for Harry and Hermione maybe not even realizing what their doing but just a matter of that right moment and right amount of hormones. Even if they don't get together, I think this or something smiler will happen because they both have showed in previous books that they have strong feelings for each other, even if brotherly sisterly... it may evolve into something more if only for a moment!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK ABOUT THAT, AM I MENTAL OR JUST DELUSIONAL.... OR AM I RIGHT!

Did anyone else notice that Hermione still doesn't know that Harry broke up with Ginny. And the crush on Ginny came from nowhere. Sounds lie a silly teeny booper cruch.

Hmm yeah we've all been talking on this board about the importance of Harry's reaction to a possible Ron/Hermione romance in book 7. But even more important may be Hermione's reaction to finding out about Harry and Ginny's break up!

Yeah Harry's crush came out of NOWHERE but Ginny's crush didn't. I have a feeling Ginny might still try to be with Harry in book 7 but Harry hopefully won't feel right about it anymore. Especially since she thinks he's HAPPY fighting Voldemort...

Yes, Harry's crush on Ginny came out of absolutely NOWHERE. And that makes me wonder...was it ever even REAL? Was there really anything to it? Could it have been...

Well, I think you know what I mean.

I don't know if this was mentioned yet, but I like the scene in Chapter 15 of HBP when H/Hr are walking back from the library after being tossed out by Madam Pince.

I don't have the book w/ me but JKR uses romantic imagery "deserted, lamplit corridors" and they argue whether or not Pince and Filch are secret lovers. I'd say this is a clue, no?

Also, this shows that H/Hr can discuss lighter things, which the opposition seems to forget. They always say that H/Hr are boring and have no spark. It also says they are arguing, but contrast it to a typical R/Hr argument which generally ends when one stomps off or they stop talking to each other.

With H/Hr, there is a playful tone to their discussion and we know they haven't offended each other b/c they are still friendly when they reach the common room.

JKR might have done the "Hermione doesn't know that Harry and Ginny broke up" thing on purpose, so that in the 7th book, she can be like:

SKIT TIME!!


Miss Mady

Took the words right out of my mouth, but I'm one of those double-delusional people who believes the Love Potion theory

Not to mention everyone knows that Harry kissed Ginny, but what a lot of people forget is that Ginny was the one who ran up to him as soon as he came through the portrait hole...why? Wierd!

She probably ran up to him to congratulate him, after all, they had just won the Quidditch Cup (I think that's what it was)

So am I.

Actually, there's proof to support the love potion theory. Remember way back when in the third book when Mrs. Weasley is talking about how she made a love potion? Like mother, like daughter.