I had a thought, I really believe that Ginny/Draco will work out. But I think she is going to go evil and join draco. Just think it is the perfect betrayel Harry's best friends sister. The yougest of a family devoted to the light side. Please tell me what you think?

NO NO NO!

haha, as much as I love the idea of an evil Ginny, I don't think Rowling will spring that. But then again you really can't try to predict what she does - in the end, she always surprises us.

It might be possible since Ginny's been "corrupted" already by Tom Riddle/Voldemort and I'm a desperate D/G shipper

Still, since Ginny is keen on hexing Draco whenever she can, I have it hard believing it would happen ::grin::

Yeah...I'm full of contradicting thoughts.

I do think there's possibility for D/G in canon, but have it hard seeing them both evil. Everyone's gonna rag on me for this, but I seriously think Draco's going to redeem himself just like good old Snivellus (Yes - I LOVE Snape )

- J

I think there is a possibilty for D/G in canon. it would be a wonderful twist to the book, and it could go either way...

It could bring forth the redemption of Draco or it show us that Riddle did in fact have an effect on Ginny back in her first year...being shown what power was like wasn't enough for her...once she had that first taste she's been wanting more...

who knows. it could happen!

*laughs at all the naive people sitting in the room* That's really funny... I'd have to say I'd agree that Ginny will be evil.

Have you all forgotten that everything from book #2 (CoS) will come back to haunt us? What is more obvious than that? Honestly...

And since when has JKR cared about surprising us or doing something we didn't want to happen. I mean, no one wanted/thought Sirius would die and then poof, he's all gone.

~Nicole

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Have you all forgotten that everything from book #2 (CoS) will come back to haunt us? What is more obvious than that? Honestly...

Something in the following books has to be linked to CoS, because it appears that J.K. Rowlings has shoved aside the events in that story, but we all know she drags things back out when least expected. If you pay attention no one ever talks about the events in book 2, making us sort of forget about them and Ginny.

Ginny going a tad bit evil might be possible due to the fact that we've never actually seen what her character is like. Rowlings never makes a real focus on her and it seems like she is even more shadowed then Ron when it comes to their family. Maybe the youngest Weasley is starting to get ticked off about never having anyone pay any attention to her.

my friends dont understand when I rave about d/g and how i'm sure they will actually have interaction in the books, romantic or not, because of what happened in CoS. I agree with Phoenix, I always thought it was odd that the incident in the CoS never gets mentioned.

All of their little adventures are kept a bit hush hush, but this one was a little different, because (excpet for book five) it was the first time another character was involved with the big scene at the end of the book. So, perhaps they were 'protecting Ginny' like all my friends say, but I think there is more to it, more connection that we will see later on.

Nope, sadly not possible in Canon. The chances of Ginny betraying her family and Harry after her recent escapade with the Trio, Neville and Luno to the Ministry of Magic are almost next to nill in my opinion.

Hmmm... everyon proves good points. Yet, I still doubt D/G will appear in cannon, don't get me wrong now, I am a total D/G shipper, but I doubt it would show up through JK.

And about Ginny turning evil, I'm torn on that topic. If it happens, it would make sense, and if it didn't, it would make sense. JK has given us evidence backing up both reasons. We all saw what Tom Riddle did to Ginny in CoS, and that is enough to keep anybody faithful to the lightside forever. We also saw her performance in the fifth book, where our dear little Ginny developed more as a charcater in the series. She fought faithfully beside her brother and her friends against evil, to some that would be evidence enough to think that Ginny will be good forever. And lastly, we all had to deal with a wayward Weasley (Percy) during the last book, and it was more than poor Molly could bare, I really wouldn't want her to go through that again.

However... We DO know that Riddle/Voldemort is a powerful wizard. He can change a person, he changed Harry, and all Harry did was backfire a curse, Tom actually possessed Ginny. It was written in the stars for Harry's incident to occur so naturally he'd pull through, but what about Ginny. It is very possible that Voldemort left a stain (on every on of Ginny's good days *dances to matchbox twenty*... ahem sorry about that) on Ginny and in some way has tainted her. She might not be evil yet, however, JK has more than a few tricks up her sleeve. And I also wonder why know one disscusses the incident or why we didn't atleast get Dumbledoors full say on the matter, that is whats troubling me. I just hope she doesn't turn evil later on and then Dumbledoor says something like, "I knew something like this might happen, cause then I'd just get mad".

But anywhoo, we all know JK pulls just about everything from the past together to prove bigger points in later books. I just hope one big points isn't Ginny Is Evil!, that would be depressing. However, JK could take what happened in CoS and use it as an advantage for Ginny. Harry uses his extended knowlege of Voldemort as a vantage point. If Ginny did pick up anything in CoS, it could work for her, not against her! Hmmm... something to think about.

Yikes! I wrote alot! haha

QUOTE (Sassychic807 @ Jul 21 2003, 03:28 PM)

However... We DO know that Riddle/Voldemort is a powerful wizard. He can change a person, he changed Harry, and all Harry did was backfire a curse, Tom actually possessed Ginny. It was written in the stars for Harry's incident to occur so naturally he'd pull through, but what about Ginny. It is very possible that Voldemort left a stain (on every on of Ginny's good days *dances to matchbox twenty*... ahem sorry about that) on Ginny and in some way has tainted her.

Interesting points and you're making me doubt myself but Harry was possessed himself and this was because of his scar/connection with Voldemort. As Ginny said in Book Five, she was possessed by Voldemort too. If Voldemort had in fact left a stain of some sort on Ginny it is rather odd that he did not use it to his advantage in the Department of Mysteries. I mean he was losing very badly and needed all the help he could get. Then again it is possible she will be used later on but I find it highly unlikely.

Dumbledore is the greatest wizard of all time is he not? I mean he realized Harry was possessed by the boy's eyes. This to me shows that if there was any indication or reason to think that Ginny had some sort of "curse" on her, Dumbledore would have most definitely taken measures against it just just as he gave Harry Occulmency lessons with Snape.

Potter is not the only one he's caring about right.

- J

J you brought up a good point...

If Dumbledore DOES know something about Ginny, he wuld have said something by now. And I think he learned his lesson with HARRY about keeping things from his students, he's been through that mistake.

But perhaps he could be pulling the same thing with Ginny that he did with Harry, if in fact Voldemort left something with Ginny. Maybe it's not hurting her at the moment, so he's keeping it to himself, and we'll find out about it later in the books?

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But perhaps he could be pulling the same thing with Ginny that he did with Harry, if in fact Voldemort left something with Ginny. Maybe it's not hurting her at the moment, so he's keeping it to himself, and we'll find out about it later in the books?

Hey, JK has done it before, she can do it again.

Hehehe.
Oh my gosh, at my aunt Karen's baby shower, my uncle and my mom, and my other aunt were talking about HP. And My uncle was telling us:
"Did you know, that in the next HP book, a character's gonna turn evil?"
And me and my aunt were like : GINNY!
Coz me and my aunt are total D/G shippers, and we think that in order for D/G to happen, either Draco will become good *highly unlikely* or Ginny will go bad.
And we think that Ginny will turn evil because she is over Harry, and we think Tom Riddle might've done something to her in the C.O.S and Draco might try and bring the evil out of her.
But some people also think it will be Percy...
Oh well...

Evil Ginny...hahaha

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Dumbledore is the greatest wizard of all time is he not? I mean he realized Harry was possessed by the boy's eyes. This to me shows that if there was any indication or reason to think that Ginny had some sort of "curse" on her, Dumbledore would have most definitely taken measures against it just just as he gave Harry Occulmency lessons with Snape. Potter is not the only one he's caring about right.

Of course Dumbledore doesn't just care about Harry, but you've brought up a great point there. Maybe we dont know that much about this, because Ginny's getting Occlumency lessons. It woudlnt be just because Voldemort has a connection with her(which he very well may not), but somethignlike that happening to her mind must have weakened it a bit, and made her susceptible to all kinds of things in the magical world! I woudlnt be surprised if she was learningor has learned some kind of extra way to defend herself towards evil.

Also, I really dont think Ginny would turn evil. She may have been posessed, but woudlnt that mean she'd hate them? Unless she secretly liked it, but i think that's stretching it a bit, dont you? Though I believe there is a sincere possibility of D/G in canon, Evil!Ginny seems pretty impossible what with her helping in the Department of Mysteries and all.

~Ryoko~

Up until I read book 5, I figured Ginny DID secretly like helping Tom, she sure was attached to him through the diary and all. But, like Ryoko said, she DID help out in the Department of Mysteries and everything, so the most likely isn't working for voldemort behinds everyone's back now.

But that doesn't mean he couldn't visit her again later and win her trust back, does it?

Aha! Now we have a catch. Nice one Sakura. I never thought of the idea. Maybe she DID really like it, but got over it. I mean, it WAS back in her first year and all. But a good fic could have Voldie giving her a big dose of evil again. Ohhhhhh i love it! I dont usually go for Evil!Ginny, but I just can't help it sometimes.....it's so....evil!

~Ryoko~

But you guys, thats kind of insulting Ginny's intelligence. Yes, she was possesed by evil in her first year, but c'mon do you thinks shes dumb enough to do it again?

*feels sheepish* well....well....okay, i guess you're right in some ways. i mean, she knows now not to use random things like dusty diaries that write back, but the point was she was she ahd a weakness then. Say if, for a fanfic, her mother died or something, and Ginny was presented with something she didnt know well, butdidnt seem harmful. Maybe she could be pulled into evil all over again? But I guess by now im stretxhing it, heheh. Evil!Ginny is pretty unlikely if you're thinking logically, but it's so fun in fandom, i think, that a lot of people write it just for the heck of it. It's fanfiction, so we can do whatever we want! (well, almost...) But that's the beauty of it! lol.

~Ryoko~

Just because some people think being evil is "stupid", doesn't mean everyone does. Ginny doesn't have to "fall for" Voldemort's tricks a second time around, he could just convince her that deep down, she liked helping him out, and get her back on his side.

Therefore it isn't an insult to her intelligence, it just shows that she might be easily persuaded if Voldemort were to grant her power again.

Ha! We can only hope... I guess Evil!Ginny will be a bit of a change. Not much is known about her untill the 5th book after all. Rowling doesn't go into much detail. It seems to me that now that Ginny is over Harry(FINALLY!) she may start to see a different side of the Second War and become evil. I guess only TIme will tell


~*Fruity Monkey*~

man...as cool as that sounds JKR would never do that. I mean Ginny Weasley? I write D/G and even i'm not that mean to make her completely evil (not until i start writing T/G at least). It's a good thought though, a good though...

Who knows, Penthesilea...

Maybe she wouldn't be COMPLETELY evil...just evil enough in nature to help Voldemort out with something...

I think that in the future, Voldemort will be defeated but will have suceeded in getting Ginny on his side at least once more. And she probably wont get killed... but may have to live with the fact that she helped the Dark Lord, even though he fell.

[good thing she'll have someone like draco to help her through this ]

I don't like the idea of a completely evil Ginny... But I think that Voldy might be able to persuade her to do something for him. Mind you, Ginny is not stupid, and there would probably be a lot of different factors to it. For example, the Imperious Curse or just because maybe she still has feelings for Tom. That's another thing, I really hate how JK Rowling hasn't gone into Ginny's character more... Or what she went through after the Chamber... I wish she does in the future. I think that the fact she changes boyfriends so much is sort of like a lasting impression from Tom... Like she pretends she's fine but she just can't find anyone who understands her or something... But we all know Draco could. *sigh* Sorry for the ramble.

~Faith~

Yay! I'm not the only one!

~Faith~

I don't know.... I just don't like to mess with the idea in my head that Ginny is that innocent girl. True, she'll grow up, but I like to convince myself that she has a stable head on her shoulders and wouldn't turn to the dark side. I know, I'm kind of close minded on this because I just don't believe it. When I read fics with Ginny crossing over the dark side, I read them as AU fics, you know? I may be going against the majority, but don't boo me.

Later--
K

I think your opinion is all right, citrus, but that's why this is fanfiction!

Everyone can think whatever they want and you can bet that there will be a story about it somewhere!

I don't think that Ginny with turn evil because she close to Dumbledore and Harry would save her. Harry cares about her even if he doesn't want to go out with her.
personally I want Draco to redeem himself as long as he still hates Harry. I like that about him
Mouse

I agree, Sakura1287, I don't think Harry would be able to save her from that. She seems like the kind of person who knows what she wants, sort of. You don't just wake up one day and say 'I want to be evil', and then go do it. She probably would have thought about it, it would have nagged at her, and then she'd decide gradually. So Harry couldn't just stop her.

~Faith~

Besides, Harry can't always save the day. Maybe he can defeat Voldemort, but somehow if Ginny were to go evil I think he may meet his match. Even if Voldemort were to get deafeated anyway with Ginny on his side, I doubt it would be because Harry brought Ginny back to the side of good.

Wouldn't it be a twist if Draco were to bring her back to the good side? **plot bunnies attacking suddenly** hehe...

Those are really good points, J. You're right, I think Ginny could go both ways on being evil and not. I agree with you on book five Ginny. She wasn't pathetic at all in that accord, and I think she has grown from her experience with Tom (duh).

~Faith~

She may have grown up from her experience with Tom but she hasn't forgotten about it, mind you.

Yes! Of course Sakura, most definitely has NOT forgotten about it! My whole perspective on D/G and Ginny herself would be completely false if that important fact wasn't included. And anyway, how could someone forget about what pushed her too grow up so fast?

~Faith~

Well, evil Ginny is a very interesting subject. But I was wondering, how would you react if it really happened? And before you shout out it never could, think about it. There is hard evidence that she could, and hard evidence that she wont. How would you react?

I'm sorry, I didnt mean to go offtopic.
*ahem*
I wouldn't mind if Ginny went evil as long as she ended up with Draco.

~Ryoko~

Edit:hmm.....in regards to what you say after this, sassychic, interesting? well, when I said that, I was kind of joking. But I guess I should keep it serious here...Actually, in truth, I wouldnt want Ginny to be evil. While I wouldnt dislike her if she was, I would be a little disappointed. Ginny's been a great chracter, especially the way she has grown up to be so outgoing as to go with Harry and folks to the DoM. I think it might be a sign of her independence though is she became evil (though I'm a big rooter for the "good side") But if it did happen, it would be a plus if she was with Draco, and it would at least make me blink in surprise.

Hmm...interesting that you think that Jesse.

I never thought about what else might've happened with Ginny while she was under Tom's watch...and it always bugged me too that JKR just sort of dropped it in the next books.

I understand that Harry is the main character, but it was a little greedy of him to save Ginny and get all the glory, when Ginny was the one who actually had to deal with Tom all year.

Also, if Ginny were to go evil, I really don't think I'd mind. My theory is that she will go over to Voldemort's side, but he will get deafeated, then her and Draco will have gotten together in the meantime. It's a sketchy thoery, I know, but I like it. As long as she doesn't do anything too terrible, I think that would be a cool thing to happen.

Yeah, I think it wasn't fair Harry 'got all the glory', when it was Ginny who probably had it worse off that year, concerning- a lot worse.

I love your theory, Sakura! It's a really interesting one... Do you think someone probably wrote a fanfic about it? Most likely, yes, I suppose.

I just had a thought- Maybe Ginny would be vunerable to dark magic- it's in plenty of fics I read, and that would pull her to it. She can't help but hold an interest in it or something... And it might be easier for Voldy to manipulate her into it, if he would. Just another theory.

~Faith~

ya I've heard about the ginny being vulnerable stuff. I think JKR should have put that into the books, actually. It would make a lot of sense, and so far Ginny seems like she woke up in the chamber, saw the Dark Lord and basilisk blood shower, blinked, then walked out.

WHAT THE HECK?!?!?!?!?

~Ryoko~

hmm...

Yeah... Stupid trio people, Harry should at least try being a little more observant for us who are... But JKR put little hints in here or there about plenty of plot stuff- Ginny with the book all the time throughout CoS. She always does that. It's right in front of our face and we never see it- so why couldn't she do the same with Ginny and what she went through with Tom?

Ginny was practically non-existent in PoA and, yeah, she was there in GoF, but it was like "Ginny? Ron's little sister? Wow! I'd never guess she almost died because the Dark Lord took her over- are you sure it even happened?"

Off topic again. Don't hurt me.


~Faith~

heh, yeah, exactly. "Are you sure it ever ahppened?" Actually, if I ask anyone I know whose read the four books, they dont even remember who Ginny is! They're like "Ron has a younger sister?" And I want to smack them! She was the whole basis of the second book! grrr.......where is the love? (*has heard that song way too many times*)

~Ryoko~

okay. here's my thoughts. i haven't read all of the posts, so let me know if some one said the exact same thing.

i think its very likely that ginny will turn evil. the requirements are all there. i see no evidence, prior to OotP, to suggest otherwise. The very fact that the Dream Team does not speak to her singles her out. I believe that she was particularily susceptible to the pull of the diary because of something in her. If she had been a normal happy child, then why would she have become so dependant on Tom? I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason, that if you do not want something and it happens, there was something in you that needed it to happen.

The need to have the diary, to have someone to confide in, and to have the feelings returned is what the diary gave Ginny. What Tom gave Ginny. I believe that i read somewhere among the posts something that went like this 'because he was nice to her isn't good enough reason to turn evil'... something along those lines. But in my opinion, that's not what Tom was to her. Tom was a source of comfort in a completely alien place.

For eleven years, Ginny had had someone there for her, be Ron or any of her other brothers, and then she also had her parents. Then, for the first time in her life, she was alone again. One year later she finds a diary that writes back...? Come on, when you were eleven someone older than you saying hello was the highlight of your day! Here was a boy, MUCH older and wiser that was there to take Ron's place. Maybe if Ron hadn't acted like such a sodding ***hole, then the whole CoS incident wouldn't have happened.

But that's not the point. It did. So... now Ginny has known comfort from her brother, which was stripped away, and comfort from Tom, which was also stripped away. Think about it. Tom was her only true friend in CoS. Coming into Hogwarts, she thought she had Ron, but he was a typical older brother and would rather hang out with Potter and Granger. This very fact could turn Ginny toward or against the Dream Team- she could be envious or she could despise them or she could fall in love with them (potter). Apparently she opts with the latter of the three. Or so we are led to believe. Rowling did not spend much time with Ginny, so we do not know if she truly loved Potter. Take a scenario. She was, in fact, madly in love with the bespeckaled git. He never gave her the time of day, so where would she go? To Tom, right? Would Tom say 'don't give up' or 'a bloody bastard is all he is, forget about him'?

I go with option two. So she begins to feel some hatred toward the Dream Team. The general consensus among the students, Slytherins excluded, is that the Dream Team is the new deity. They can do no wrong in the peoples' eyes. But Ginny sees the antagonist, the dragon, the Little Evil: Draco Malfoy. He hates the Dream Team. And then Tom is taken away from her, though she knew he was evil, they belonged to and with each other. They were one and the same at heart.

So where does her interest now lie? In Draco Malfoy, one who is so like Tom and an entirely different entity. But she believes he wouldn't have her. Years of being treated like s**t from DT have worn down her self esteem. So what does she do? She can go out with as many guys as she likes, but they are still not Draco. Will never be Draco. And is seems that there is nothing that she can do until he changes his opinion of her. There is something that would change his opinion of her, something she could do, isn't there?

If Ginny was to openly strike out against the DT, not something overt, but rather so subtle almost no one would realize the strike took place, wouldn't that begin the transformation from good to evil? Draco finally realizes that Ginny is a force to be reckoned with and realizes that he wants her on his side. This is good with Ginny. She gets Draco and in the same moment she is killing the DT, especially her brother. Draco is evil, and now, with her new intentions, Ginny is evil.

AND TADA! Ginny is evil, Draco and Ginny are together, and all is right with the world. This is one situation that it could happen. Then again, it could never happen and I could be totally wrong. But I like to write things like this. Right now I'm into this Ginny/Tom fic that I'm writing, so i've thought a lot on the subject of why Ginny would still be attached to him. if any of you want to read it, click on the link under my name.

Eh... yeah.
Unknown Street Kid
When He Returns

Actually.........that was really good. It makes a lot of sense, all of it, except I dont agree with the Ron being an ***hole to her, I think he was just being a regular older brother (my bro was like him, maybe worse, back then) and didnt want to bother with her no matter how much he loves her deep down. Eventually that will go away when they mature, like when Ron's about....15?(OotP) But about Ginny hating the DT....well, she never said she loved them (or harry for that matter, she just had a childhood crush. really, people, there are millions of girls in the wizarding world who would be even worse than ginny had been if they could have been arund him!) So I dont think Ginny's crazy about the DT, but she doesnt really hate them......just kind of dislikes, and if you remember correctly, there were a lot of times where the whole school was on unfriendly terms with Ron, Harry, and Hermione at once, so they arent always exactly the school "deity".

I guess I can believe that Ginny would go evil,a nd it makes sense, and I could eveen get into the idea of Tom/Ginny fics (been thinking abotu that lately) but I would never want Ginny to go evil in canon. Rather, I would like to see Draco hate her so much that he pays as much attention to her as he does Harry and then have Draco fall for her, making him rethink his loyalties. Or maybe that's jst my own little fairytale...

Either way, D/G LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Ryoko~

Unknown Street Kid , that was really good. I cant telly ou put a lot of thought into that little scenario and it was cool, I could sort of see it happen, but I agree with you also, EvilRyokoJesse, about Ron being a typical older brother and Ginny not flat out HATING the DT but merely not seeing them as the flawless gods others do.