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I've recently posted in a discussion about the "desired" scenes between Harry and Hermione in Harry Potter and it lead me to ponder over something (there's a surprise! Harry Potter and thinking ...ahh sarcasm, man's best friend!) I'm sure there are people out here who have seen The X-Files. I, personally, used to be a great fan and also, a big shipper. Although there are many differences between the two "plots of relationships", Ron standing between Harry and Hermione whereas no one's between Scully and Mulder for one, there are similarities as well! Scully's a smart lady, doesn't care of public's opinion, so is Hermione. Mulder is always shown in a bad light, but is truly brave one way or the other, so is Harry! Hermione's associated with Harry but everyone knows their relatioship is strictly *wincing at the word* platonic, same with Mulder and Scully! Let's remember than the Xfiles pair has "kept the boundaries" for a couple of years, to say the least, same with the Harry Potter (hopefully soon!) pair. Mulder sends things to Scully to analyze; Harry asks Hermione to help him with homework and spells...This one episode of the X Files I've recently watched has made me think of Harry and Hermione: it speaks of a regular investigation, which turns personal and ends up in Mulder having to hold Scully in his arms through a night, but it never goes into anything beoynd a peck on the cheek and just lying down next to a person he loves...that, I think, is a perfect way to show love, and hopefully, something like that will happen between Harry and Hermione! Ok, I'm drifting off! *getting back on topic*
Lastly, I want to share my little "theory". Ok, the way I associate the above mentioned show vs. the movie is I think that the "line" between Harry and Hermione is represented by Ron (this is also mentioned in one of the fanfics I read - Harry Potter and the Paradigm of Uncertainty - GREAT work!), while the "line" between Scully and Mulder is their consience.
Ahhh...I'm sorry for such a long post, but I had to get this off my chest Hopefully, Harry and Hermione will "copy" the X Files characters and end up together

A lot of the above points I agree with you. Like Scully being smart like Hermione and Mulder being brave like Harry. While Mulder was with the FBI, he was seen as a joke, a nuisance. There were times when Harry was seen as a joke, but it turned alright in the end. Nobody except a few people actually know that Mulder was telling the truth all those years. Mulder was seen a joke, even after he left. I hope Harry doesn't turn out like that.

*jumping up and down* Someone agrees, someone agrees! That's exciting
Well, we see that rumors about Harry follow him everywhere, just as do the ones about Mulder, but we know that Harry always gets out of the "web of lies" in the end You're right, let's hope it'll happen with the next challenge that lies ahead of Harry James Potter *dreamily* Hehe!

It's true that Scully was always saving Mulder's butt. I think it would be safe to say the same of Hermione and Harry. I think if Hermione weren't around, Harry would have died way back in book one.

First off, I'm a HUGE X-Files fan and I have always seen the similarity between Hermione and Scully but have only just begun to see the similarity between Mulder and Harry. I'm so glad I'm not the only one who sees it. I just hope H&H have a happier ending than M&S.

You know, I was just thinking about this same thing the other day.
Hmmm... JK has said that Harry and Hermione have a platonic relationship. Chris Carter said the same thing about Mulder and Scully for years, and *swore* we would never see M+S get together under any circumstances (and then suddenly she was pregnant...)
Thankfully i'm pretty sure JK won't handle a H/Hr relationship slopily like they did with M+S on XF. I hated how they played it out so much, but the time the baby was born I was a *huge* NoRomo.
Bleh... I was totally about to go off on a rant about how much I hated the last 2 seasons. Meh... X-Philes are definatly known for being for being huge complainers.
Sorry, I don't feel like I contributed much, but i'm absolutely exausted from today...

love
Heather (who is so tired she actually fell asleep writing this)

Uh? I agree on the Scully-Hermione part and how the rellation Mulder-Scully is so alike. But really I think the character that resembles more to Mulder in the HP's would be ... Luna! You know, she is too a little weirddo and at the end you don't know if she is totally a crazy-mad person o really odd thing happen and she can see them.

Don't get me wrong, I love Loony
She is very cool and I hope she and Ron ... well you know

Mulder and Scully = Harry and Hermione??
Mmm.. Do you think Jk look at X-files??
=)

Hi I'm new here. Obviously. Anyway...I just wanted to say that I find that Mulder and Scully's relationship strongly resemble Harry and Hermione's. I mean, they were 'platonic' for the longest times.
Scully doesn't always agree with Mulder's theories like Hermione sometimes thinks Harry's being paranoid about say, Snape or Malfoy, though like Mulder, Harry was right on the money in HBP (for now). Scully's the one who's rational to Mulder's rash, which is the same order with Harry and Hermione
And then...in Rain King, Scully says...

"Well, it seems to me that the best relationships-- the ones that last-- are frequently the ones that are rooted in friendship. You know, one day you look at the person and you see something more than you did the night before. Like a switch has been flicked somewhere. And the person who was just a friend is... suddenly the only person you can ever imagine yourself with."

And as we all know, Mulder and Scully ended up together.

Not saying that they are exactly like Mulder and Scully. But I'm sure people get what I'm saying.

OMIGOD! Thank you for using that quote. THAT is my Harry/Hermione quote too. In fact I used it in one of my fan fics (Scratching the Itch), in which Hermione was having all these very UNplatonic thoughts about Harry, and having trouble dealing with them. And a friend who's familiar with X-Files tells Hermione this quote and Hermione realizes that the light switch was flicked on about Harry...

Mulder and Scully, Harry and Hermione. Yup, I'm just waiting for that switch to go on in Harry's head

I can definately see how you can relate Mulder and Scully to Harry and Hermione. Both are friends with obvious sexual tension. Hopefully Harry and Hermione will follow Mulder and Scully's example and fall in love.

Wow it's great to find some fellow X-Files fans!

My portkey name is from the show.

I completely agree with you tweak, there are a lot of similarities between Mulder and Scully and Harry and Hermione. It’s no coincidence that I ended up shipping them both. I spent a good couple of years watching and becoming emotionally involved with M/S’s relationship and the same kind of reactions I had while watching the show, I’ve had while reading the books.

One thing you didn’t mention as a connection, is how they where constantly saving each other in turn. So many great episodes involved Mulder going off with reckless abandon to save Scully and vice verse. Same goes for Harry and Hermione of course.

I can see a “switch going off in one or both of their heads and them finally discovering what we already know (or is it what we desperately want, both I think). My only question would be: where would Ron and Ginny fall within this connection? They are involved after all and because of their actions and presence in the story we should take them into account.

Anyway welcome tweak, it’s nice to have you here with us. I hope to hear some more good H/Hr stuff from you (X-Files stuff would be nice too).

Peace
Melissa

To be really honest, ever since the fourth book, I've been waiting for Ron to go over to the dark side. He's very insecure and jealous...you know...Anakin-esque.
And as for Ginny...She's very Diana Fowley. I mean come on! The whole
"Fox I've always loved you... now we can be together",
in the episode when Mulder's in a coma because of his odd brain activity induced by the alien ship found in Africa. And I mean she's always trying to look like she's on Mulder's side, which really irritated me because obviously, Scully never tries actively to be "on his side", although she really is because she does what she thinks is the right and best way for Mulder. And seriously...
Where was Fowley all those years when Scully was the only one Mulder had?

Oh my god, you're so right! Ginny is such a Fowley!

I had a massive X-Files obsession as a teenager, and naturally my obsession was all about M/S. Even though I tried to make myself believe it was because I liked supernatural stuff (well, that's actually true too. Lol). Anyway, I'm always drawn to relationships in fictional mediums which have the most unresolved tension, and that ship to me in HP will always be H/Hr. Just the same way I was attracted to M/S in X-Files, and more recently my infatuation with Tim/Daisy in Spaced. <----- (Anyone who hasn't watched this show and likes quirky humour and/or UST-ish stuff, I highly rcommend it).

Anyway, I've always recognised the correlation between the "platonic" friendship Mulder and Scully shared and H/Hr's relationship. If only JKR would flick the switch.....

Wow, I'm glad other people have thought of this too. I brought this up in some other thread. Yeah I think H/Hr is going to turn out just like M/S. Platonic until the last episode, then you learn the truth. We can only hope!

Cool i used to watch that, before it ended. X-files was alright but now i watch the show on Sci Fi Roswell kinda like Harry and Hermione. Even though the show is over i still watch it. Harry and HErmione forever oh and by the way that quote is in a book called "Girls book of love" that i read its basically like quotes, stories, advice and mmore

ah, Mulder and Scully - those were the days. Another couple whom the creator insisted were platonic friends. As far as the actors went, I think it was the eye contact and their "knowing/mind reading" looks -and, erm physical proximity- at each other that got me convinced that they belonged together. HBP reminded me of those eppies when M& S would be at odds, trying to prove their own theory as to who the "monster of the week" was -- and in the end, they would both end up being right to some extent - as were H/Hr about the Potions book.

The thing is, that finally in the Movie, Mulder finally got a chance to tell Scully what she meant to him - that "as difficult and frustrating as it's been at times" that he needed her "g$$d###n strict rationalism", which saved him "a thousand times over". I only hope we get that validation from Harry, coz it's not just us readers who want to hear it, but Hermione does too - or so I like to think.

erm, to those not familiar with TXF, that was about as romantic as Mulder gets.

I adored that show and the interaction between the two main characters. Of course, now we will be accused of being brainwashed by X-Files. I will say in advance it is a compliment, thank you.

That is not as romantic as he gets...he actually tells Scully that she is his 'touchstone of reality' in one of the episodes.
Which sort of reminds me how Hermione draws Harry out of the room in OoTP.

Oh my god Sariele,you are my long lost other half of me!!! I have a huge obsession with Spaced and the x files ,ive been a fan of Spaced now for the past 6 years,which also includes tonnes of dedication to simon pegg and jessica stevenson projects.

(Oh my god ive got some ###### jaffa cakes in my coat pocket!!) Do you watch black books??

Ok back to topic i Do agree HHR are very like Mulder and Scully. One of the best parts about the ending of the x files was that in the early days when i used to buy the x files magazines Chris carter was often quoted for saying "they will never get together" or "when hell freezes over", and look how that turned out. Also 82% of the italian fans didnt want M/S to hook up as it would ruin the show.

But for me it didnt,They do depend on one another and the trust they have for one another is so beautiful,that when an outsider like Diana Fowley comes creeping back into Mulders life,we tend to see she can sense a strong bond of friendship in which she feels threatened.


as Shelia Larken (Scullys mum) says "They are best friends beyond what lovers could ever be".

Oh my god, I looooove Black Books!!

"Well the little man in my hair is getting very angry!"
"And in the Autumn I'll dump her, cause she's my Summer Girl!"
"I can feel pieces of my brain falling away like a wet cake..."

... and so forth!

I wonder what else we have in common? You don't happen to like Father Ted too? Or Jonathan Creek?

ANYWAY.... *frantically casts around for something to say to bring this back on topic*

I do remember getting really annoyed at Chris Carter every time he said in an interview that Mulder and Scully would never get together. But he redeemed himself when he said the often repeated (by X-Philes) quote, "Mulder loves Scully and Scully loves Mulder". I think it was in a making-of doco or something. If only JKR could make us feel slightly better by saying something like that about H/Hr, it would just make a little difference in accepting H/Hr not happening in canon.

All I really want is for either Harry to analyse his relationship with Hermione to some degree, or for JKR to do so in an interview. We need to know what they really think of each other, and why on earth they have never entertained the notion of being together romantically (on page, at least).

Getting off topic again. Better stop now!

HAHA oh my god,i love both of them,Alan davies rules,and father jack!!!!! I bought The new ipod video on thursday and it finally came today,i bought it from apple.com/uk anywho on this website you can have free engraving so after much desicion making and laughter at the thought of people reading the back of it i decided on a quote from bernard talking about manny;

"He did. He had a living beetroot smell"

(my dad thought it was funny)

it was a major toss up between

"i am a giant ear,waiting for your songs of niceness"
"he looks like a horse in a man costume"
"dont eat muffins while im developing you"
"he's a beard with an idot hanging off it"
"i dont trust him. he has no nasal hair"

i also love "Look around you",and red dwarf,all british comedies are the best,and also scrubs.

Back on topic *smacks my own hand*

One of the great things about M/S and H/Hr WE know they are so suited for one another yet all of them dont see it,its always the people around them that tend to get that vibe that only the other matters to them and thats all that counts. I think if Harry accidently killed snape and went to trial (and they never found snapes body,coz he cannot die) and Hermione was there i can most definately see the M/S ending happening with harry probably saying "we have hope,isnt that all we need" and then hermione agreeing...and some thousands of miles away the wealseys lay unconscious in some muggle hospital.

TXF was one of the best shows out there... and you're right, CC did insist that they were only friends with plenty of platonic love. Have you ever realized that later in the series, with episodes like "Triangle", "The Unnatural" and "all things" (which DD and GA wrote/directed), the actors got the characters into more compromising situations? I wonder if the same thing isn't going on with Dan and Emma... the books (at least HBP) are telling them one thing, but their chemistry on screen is leading to another conclusion.

~*kt*~

Lots of people have said CC only went MS because the show was getting boring yada yada,but thinking about it if they HADNT had the baby and everything else that followed could you really see Mulder with any other woman and scully as the close friend who lives next dor?? i know i couldnt. Now that WOULD be the HHR moment from OOTP,with Cho getting uber jealous,when hermione's name is mentioned.

Yes, I heard that, too. But The Unnatural and Triangle are both season 6, when CC was still apparently die-hard, anti-MSR (think post-FTF, when he claimed they "kissed" and meant the intention was there, and then he perform CPR- rather unsatisfactory and anti-romantic, no?). The actors took it upon themselves to write and direct episodes in which there was more UST. I think that this is because of how their characters FELT to them; the chemistry between the two felt so right in that way, that eventually, CC couldn't deny it, even though he's trying to pin it on the show getting "boring". If he thought that romance was needed and didn't think Mulder and Scully should be together, he could have gone the Scully/Skinner route, or even could have had something bigger go on with Dogget/Reyes.

But no, I can't imagine either of them with someone else. Especially after that Rain King line that Scully delivers, almost as if she's realizing, or has realized, that she can't imagine her life with anyone but Mulder. Add to that that Mulder already told her he loved her in Triangle, and it's a done deal, in my book.

~*kt*~

OK... I feel this thread deserves to be ressurected

Mulder and Scully = Harry and Hermione

Oh my god! I think I needto update my sig!

And that Line: "They are best friends beyond what any lovers could be..."

That is just perfect.

yeah they are (hugs) oh my gosh there are so many things between mulder and scully that remind me of h/hr

I so agree! I LOVE TXF, and I wish that JKR had changed her book. Oh well, what's done is done.

Speaking of which, I really need to watch the 6 and seventh seasons again.

Muler/Scully and Harry/Hermione forever!

yes agree we need more harmony in our life now.

I agrêe..

Mulder/Scully and H/hr are forever.

I always thought them as the adult version of H / Hr
And never see that for a long time did not seem to be no physical attraction between them

do you guys realize that all those quotes from mulder and scully jkr could have used them with harry and hermione i would really like to kick jkr right now

With the news of X-Files 2 coming soon, i feel this thread deserves a bump...

Look at my sig, it'll tell you all youneed to know about my shipping preferences

GM

This is soo funny.
I'm actually re-watching the X-files (yes, from the VERY beginning...xD)
and there's this moment in the first episode of the second season
''Little green men''
I was looking for a 'couples that remind you of H/Hr' to post this...
But here I find a M/S related topic

Anyways, skipping to 'the moment'
...

Its EXACTLY like in DH.

You have mulder/Harry sitting down,
and Scully/Hermione putting her hand on his head,
and him, closing his eyes at the touch.
(both guys being 'down')

From the very start,
I got really nostalgic, not only because I used to watch the X-files as a kid, but also because they remind me soo much of H/Hr.

You have Scully who is the brains, doesnt care of other people's judgement, and strongly believes in facts (stays to the book)
Unlike Mulder, the brave one, who follows his instincts and acts pretty reclessely .

Reminds you of 2 others doesnt it?

Also, quoting JKR's 'Harry needs Hermione..badly'
this applies to Mulder as well. Very much so. In fact he says so himself more than once.

It just...urgh
It bothers me that H/Hr didnt work out that way.
For all those who saw the X-Files..no one can contradict the fact that they are perfect for each other..
As others mentionned in this forum,
I couldn't see them with anyone other.
I feel, for me (or any H/hr shippers), that it would've made the same kind of couple with HP.


Anyways..no idea if people still lurck around in this topic..
but oh well.
I'm off to continue watching the show

Love to all the X-Files fans and fellow H/Hr - M/S shippers out there

I'm going to take a stab and play Devil's Advocate here. I adore both H/Hr and MSR (they're my new love, and actually I happen to be watching a fanvid of them while typing this message ), and I can see similarities between them.

But given the never-ending voice of Herons in the background of the HP shipping world, wouldn't they argue that since Mulder and Scully spend much of their time bickering, and that Scully getting jealous over various minor characters would be more R/Hr? Especially in episodes like "Syzygy" where her jealousy of Detective White looked very much like Hermione's jealousy of Lavender in HBP?

On the subject of shipping, though, I have to say that I believe Mulder and Scully have a deeper connection than Harry and Hermione do. Given that they've known each other since the dawn of time in past lives, this is rather unsurprising in some respects. But they're interaction is much more non-verbal than Harry and Hermione's ever is. Especially in later seasons, and a lot in the first movie. That's not to say that H/Hr couldn't have gotten to that point, we just never got the chance to see it.

On a rather odd note, seeing as how we're equating HP characters to X-Files characters, who do you think the Lone Gunmen would equate to in the HP world?

Easy. The Twins and Neville Longbottom.

I adore a Devil's Advocate, Alyssa because they know how put pepper in all debates.

I personally thinks that M/S are the most alike non-HP characters to H/Hr. They always seemed to me be be the real H/Hr, 19 years later.

About the differences you have pointed out: let's not forget that M/S were written meant to be, and H/Hr, doesn't. They're a wonderful Literature Accident.

You said that the bickering part of M/S looked much more like to R/Hr than H/Hr. Maybe. M/S are opositives, they bicker because of this. But they're complementary opositives. That's not happens to R/Hr. They're supposed to be like this, but the way they were written doesn't show it. They clearly don't have anything in commom, just mutual attraction. In a short time it can work, they're perfect for a first love, but their differences are so intense that in the long way they wouldn't work.

But M/S don't only bicker: they have differences and they debate about these differences. It's the whole emotion/reason conflict. But as a complementary oppositives, they work it at all. They basically bickered as a married couple when the episode was meant to be funny.

Think about how would H/Hr behave if they were written to stay together. Don't you think that, at one point, they would start to bicker as a marriage couple (M/S behaved as a married couple. They just didn't shared the same bed but they did had each other's keys). And the way she treated Luna at first could be called jealousy and not because the girl showed having some kind of crush on Ron but all the times she showed her jealousy Luna was near Harry.

The connection. H/Hr connection was growing till OOTP. In HBP, JK wrote her pairings. But if they were meant to be, I think their connection would have strenghned, specially with the whole alchemy partnership.

And here I thought I was going to be told to go straight to the loony bin without passing Go or collecting $200.



I agree with you, there is a difference between bickering and debates, even if M/S's debates mostly revolve around her thinking he's nuts. I was just talking in terms of how a Heron would see it. They do tend to bicker about petty stuff ----who gets to drive the car in "Syzygy", pretty much the entirety of "Bad Blood", even parts of "Arcadia" could be twisted for a R/Hr view.

However, R/Hr bicker and argue far more than Mulder and Scully do. Not to mention I could never imagine Ron telling Hermione she was his "one in five billion" or appreciating her in any way the way Mulder appreciates Scully. On a side note, would it really have been that hard for Mulder to tell her he loved her in that hallway scene from Fight the Future?! Three words just tacked onto the end of his awesome speech would have totally made my day.



Actually, when I compare Hermione's jealousy over Harry with Scully's jealousy over Mulder, I tend to lean more towards Cho, and Hermione's brisk manner about the kiss in OotP. It reminds me a lot of how Scully was about Phoebe Green in "Fire" (the "Did she corner you after the meeting?" being comparable to "I was just extending professional curtesy"/"Oh, is that what you were extending?!") And the fact that Harry chooses Cho over Hermione reminds me very much of Mulder choosing Scully over Diana in "Sixth Extinction: I and II".



Somehow, I doubt JKR bothered to use alchemy in her pairings. If she had, H/Hr definitely would have won out. I just thought it was incredibly sad that in order to create OBHWF, JKR had to metaphorically kill of Harry and Hermione's characters.

I forgot about Cho!

About the alchemy part. JK, iniciatelly, intended to make Harry and Hermione being adoptive siblings. Brother and sister are oppositives in alchemy, and that's was their role together. Later, she decided to put him with Dursleys because it would give him a better dramatic background, but aparentely she "forgot" that after this it would change H/Hr dynamics completely. Hermione was always supposed to be with Ron and the only purpose of this one have a sister is for her being the hero's love interest later. As siblings (even if adopted ones) Harry and Hermione have their alchemy partnership justified without making them a couple but she changed this and didn't look forwards. Maybe that's why people like Professor Granger are claiming that Ron is Sulphur and not Harry. Harry would be salt because he keeps Ron and Hermione together, and they are the bickering couple which make them oppositive. That's doesn't make sense because It's Harry's story and not Ron's and Hermione's. There's many alchemy simbols around Harry and Hermione, they work together, they're marked by sun and earth by birthday, and other things. JK sailed in dangerous waters not pairing them in the end. What Harmonies saw was that alchemy partnership, making their relationship a lot stronger than the one that they have with their love interests.

*tries to keep up with the alchemy* I knew there was a reason I avoided that area of PK

I honestly never believed that it was supposed to be OBHWF from the start, no matter what JKR has said in interviews. She's also admitted to looking at fansites for her books before she was finished writing them, which in my opinion, makes the couples biased from the moment she read a post.

On the other hand, Chris Carter and the X-Files team made it very clear from the Pilot that Muulder and Scully were the target couple by given their love interests "fatal flaws", things that make the audience hate them. Diana Fowley being the prime example. She was coniving, evil, and was trying to split up Mulder and Scully.

We saw this with Cho in the HP world too, her "fatal flaws" being that she was overly emotional, prone to fits of jealousy, and trying to pump Harry for information about Cedric. However, JKR did not use this technique when trying to justify the R/Hr relationship, or trying to dissuade the H/Hr relationship. Which just confuses the readers and makes for a shaky ship base. There was nothing inherently wrong with Lavender, only the fact that she had a love of embarassing pet names. Nor did JKR aedequately exclude Hermione as a love interest for Harry. There was no closure for our ship, which I think is what frustrates me the most.

And speaking of X-Files, has anyone listened to the re-mix of the theme song found on the IWTB soundtrack? I just found it on Youtube and it's awesome!

I know what you mean! No matter how many times alchemy is explained to me, I just can't grasp it. Sorry.


As I recall, she visited the website that must not be named (i.e. Mugglenet! ) a lot!! She befriended its webmaster too. You can't tell me that a lot of his biases didn't rub off on her. There are times when she sounded like him, e.g. when she essentially called us delusional.


Many non-Harmonians would argue that there was no closure because Harry and Hermione were never each others love interests. But, I beg to differ. Rowling wrote the H/Hr "friendship", if you will, as being more likely to develop into a romantic relationship. This is why so many of us began to ship this couple. And why shouldn't they have developed a romantic relationship? Even the HP movies have caused many of their audiences to think that it's going to be HHr.



Are you referring to this tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQoUZm6p2A...feature=related

I kinda like it ... it needs to grown on me a bit more! But, I do love the X-Files!

If she was going to look at fansites, she should have looked at all ships and ideas before assuming that R/Hr was the one everyone wanted. And yes, she's said that it was supposed to be R/Hr from the beginning, but I'm of the mind that she sold out to make more money -,- As mean as that sounds.



If I acted with my best friend the way Harry and Hermione act with each other, I'm sure my boyfriend (if I had one) would be very upset with me. Ditto for MSR, but even more so



Yes, that is the tune I was talking about. Personally, I love it It's my favorite remix out all the ones on Youtube.