MOD NOTE: merging this into a related thread ~Pen/gal-texter Jun2008


Okay, I know that we as Harmonians are also known as members of the Pumpkin Pie ship. My (probably stupid) question is why do we equate ourselves with pumpkin pie? Don't get me wrong, I think it's cute and wonderful, and I love it. I just don't understand it. I know that the H/G shippers are of the chocolate ship because of the whole chocolate in the library scene in OotP, but I can't find a reference to pumpkin pie in relation to Harry and Hermione. Please help!

It stems back to the early fanfic days of Harmony (I do believe it was the first, actually) which involved Harry and Hermione with pumpkin pie and whipped cream. Hence, we get the ship name HMS Pumpkin Pie.

eh I prefer Harmony, and refuse to use the pie name. Our "flagship" name shouldnt be based on fanfiction considering we adamantly believe we have more canon facts to go on. In addition harmony is perfect, as its a blend of harry and hermiones names and also represents what we see as the ideal for that relationship.

Eh, we have so many ship names by now, it doesn't really matter which we use, we know what we're talking about.

And like the Heron's "Good Ship" flag name is canon?

"You taste like pumpkin pie" still gives me a warmy fuzzy feeling so I like the pumpkin pie ship name. And AdamantEve once posted how magical the pumpkin is...I like it

I've heard of the first fanfic story, of course, and pumpkin pie, but I also thought it had something to do with Harry and Hermione hiding in the pumpkin patch in PoA when they're about to save Buckbeak. I could be wrong, though. Whatever the case, I like them both. Harmony and pumpkin pie--they both make me feel happy.

You know, I have yet to read this fic, and I really, really want to. Do you know where I can find it, if it's still around?

Back on topic, I like Harmony. Although I normally just use H/Hr whenever I'm talking about them, because I'm boring like that.

I love the name pumpkin pie, makes me hungry

I remember reading the fic a while ago, but now I can't find it *cries*
Could anyone be so kind as to post a link to it? this thread makes me want to read it again...

Please?

I just like how my favorite pie happens to be the ship name of my favorite relationship Now, at Thanksgiving, my grandparents always wonder why I get a goofy grin on my face when they say "pumpkin pie

I'm very familiar with the situation... My parents are very curious of why I suddenly wanted to have all kinds of pumpkinfood...
And my friends can't really understand why I now buy like everything in orange.

so we should copy the Herons? eh I'll pass

Not what I meant. I'm just saying almost every ship has a name that doesn't stem from canon.

I've LOVED Pumpkin Pie forever and when I got into shipping Harmony, I had two reasons to love it.

Anyhoo, back on subject, I remember reading that fic somewhere....but I cannot remember where it is!

Frankly, I find the origins of "Pumpkin Pie" silly, but eh, I don't mind using it.

If we base ship names on canon, H+G should be called HMS Maggot, for when Ginny picked a maggot out of Harry's hair. How caring of her.

I kid... well, not really.

http://forums.fictionalley.org/park/showth...mp;postid=98383

Uh, I'd love that! Why Chocolate when you can have maggots instead???


And thanks for the link btw

Thank you all so much! Now I don't feel like an utter idiot for not being able to find some kind of bare mention of pumpkin pie in the books. I thought it might have had something to do with hiding in Hagrid's pumpkin patch, too, MarenKatiaPotter, but apparently I was wrong.

That was a cute story. Thanks for the link, sartone!

I like H/Hr being called Pumpkin Pie.

Merlin knows it's far and away better than being associated with Spotted D!ck!!


Honestly!!!!!!!

There are SEVERAL names for H/Hr shippers. Aside from the typical ones mentioned : H/Hr-er, Aurors, and PKer. I prefer the generic Harry/Hermione shipper. It's long and not particularly needs any more additions to it. It's rather bland though.

Most of you weren't in the fandom way back in 2000. Just after the book 4 release. I was. We were such a minority. The only place for us had at that point been FAP, and inside one solitary thread to chat with other people. Everyone had weird and wonderful name. It just happened that one person chose to name it after a ficlet they read. The name stuck , because it really is quite cool when you think about it. Harry drinks a lot of pumpkin juice in the books. It's got a little bit of canon that way. But really it's a fanon name.

NAPPA
(who is on board HMS.Teenaged Male Fantasy - Harry/Hermione/Ginny/Angelina/Luna/Padma/Parvati/Tonks ..... ** faints ** )

Oh please tell me this is not true. The ship name is derived from a fanfic where they taste what the other ate when they kiss? That is so disgusting! Please tell me you're kidding.

Go read that fic. Aside from the sentimental value, it's a nice ficlet. You could always use Harmony though, there is no obligation to use Pumpkin Pie for our ship.

What is it that you find so disgusting? This happens when you kiss, does it not? It's not like they chewed anything together. (I should stop before i make myself queasy.)

S.

I first found shipper fandom on Fiction Alley, so H/Hr will always be the HMS Pumpkin Pie to me. Harmony is a nice name for the ship as well, and I don't care which label is used to refer to my shipping preferences.

Unfortunately there has been a divide since HBP because Harmonians are the ones that got stuck with the insults from the IoD while many of the original Pumpkin Pie folks either retreated from fandom or gave up their canon hopes for the series. Just another reason why I'd love a well-written H/Hr ending...so we ALL have something to celebrate again.

Doesn't happen to me. My husband knows how to use a toothbrush. I can't read that, sorry. It's just too disgusting. There's nothing sweet about tasting the food someone else ate after a kiss. I mean, really, Hermione's parents are dentists! No way that would be in character. Hermione has more class than that. So does Harry for that matter.

Oh, come on. It could have been a lot worse. Hormonal teenagers and whipped cream could have made our ship names the "HMS Condom" or something along those lines. And it happens....at least it was pumpkin pie and not sardines.

I don't like the name "Pumpkin Pie" because that food isn't even eaten in the UK. So, with that and being from a fanfic, it doesn't seem like the best name for a ship that's expecting to be canon.

Harmony is a very cute name but Harmonian sounds like a death cult or some exotic breed of alien. What's wrong with just Harmony shipper?

Though on the subject of ship names, Heron and Chocolateer are the most appalling I've ever heard--though I've only ever heard them on this board. Everywhere else, I've only heard Good Shipper or Orange Crush shipper. Which are okay, I guess. I still like Harmony.

Other great/weird ship names:

Harry/Luna: Loonies and Lions
Sirius/Remus: Puppyshippers
Percy/Penelope: Pomp and Circumstance
Voldemort/Bellatrix: Immortal Beloved
Draco/Pansy: Snitch and Bitch

And (IMHO) the bestest ship name in existence:

Neville/Luna: The Government Stole My Toad

That is just too funny for words. I love it!

You know I have heard of Hr/R shippers being called the Good Shipper. What is so good about it? That is a stupid name in my opinion. If somebody had not told me that it was Hr/R shippers, I would have never known. The Orange Crush shipper name has never made sense to me either. It must tie back to a fanfic like Pumpkin Pie.

I think if I had to chose, I like our Harmony name the best. It just has a nice ring to it and it fits really well. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what it means either.

I always liked HMS Pumpkin Pie. When I joined the fandom shortly after Book 4 came out, I don't think Harmony has been umm...termed. I'm probably wrong, but I don't remember hearing that term back then.

Okay, that is the best ship name in existence I laughed so hard. Though I would have thought it would be The Crumpled Horned Snorckack Stole My Toad, but I love that one

Alright, to go along on that thread, a new name for H/Hr: Books and Bravery

Oh, I'm surprised no-one mentioned latest hip name to appear in fandom. Haven't you guys heard? The "R/Hr Shippers" aka "Good Shippers" aka "Herons" now want to be called the "HeRo(s)". I guess being sidekicks wasn't good enough, huh?

But seriously, where on Earth does that name come from? I lurk on several R/Hr, H/G sites (including Mugglenet and the Sugar Quill) to talk about other parts of the books and I've never, ever heard anyone self-identify as a "Heron" or "Chocolateer." It's on this board that I first heard the names.

And to explain the R/Hr and H/G names: Good Ship because Ron/Hermione was one of the original threads when the shipping forum on FAP was very, very young--and back then, people didn't have fancy names for their ships, it was just HMS Harry/Ginny or the Good Ship Ron/Hermione. Basically, the name just stuck and they decided not to change it when the other ships started naming themselves. (I think it might have originated on the Sugar Quill).

Orange Crush makes more sense. Ginny's hair = orange (doesn't make her sound very appealing, does it? ) and she has a crush. It's also the name of a soft drink.

I don't like Good Ship because it's kind of superior-sounding, isn't it? Harmony is very pretty.

They're pretty much insults derived by thos who oppose them. Kind of like how Herons call us "Delusional"

Heron = Hermione + Ron

Chocolateer = derived from the chocolate/library scene in OotP.

You know, Harry and Hermione had their own chocolate scene long before Ginny and Harry did. In PoA, right after Harry and Hermione had changed time, they ate a huge chunk of chocolate in the Infirmiry at the insistance of Madame Pomfrey. Technically, we could call ourselves the chocolate ship - not that I'm suggesting that or anything. I much prefer Harmony or even Pumpkin Pie, both of which are both cute, sweet, and happy sounding!

Or you could count when Hermione gave him chocolate for Christmas in first year (I thin it was chocolate, anyway). Pumpkin pie tastes better, though, and the color orange is so much more outstanding than brown

Oh yeah, I much prefer pumpkin pie over chocolate for the name of our ship. (By the way, it was chocolate frogs that she gave him for Christmas. He ended up using one of the chocolate frog cards to figure out who Nicolas Flamel was.)

LOL it's symbolic of the whole ship war isn't it? H/Hr are always about 200 steps ahead of H/G!

Of course ORANGE PWNS BROWN. Orange is the color of brightness, the sun, light! Think of the conotations of BROWN... I don't think I have to elaborate on this lol.

Hermione's eyes and hair?

pumpkin pie + early chocolate scene = sweet tooth.

A bit late for naming ships, but that's what H/Hr has, I guess, hahah.

Plus, pumpkin pie is sweet, but not too sweet, also symbolic of H/Hr's relationship. It's not sicky-chocolate sweet with them hanging off each other every two seconds, but has just enough sweetness to make us all go "Squee!" at all the cute moments

MOD NOTE: merging this into a related thread
~gal-texter/Pen 8May2008

Where does the term "Pumpkin Pie" come from? I know it refers to H/Hr but I don't know why it's called this.

The term "Pumpkin Pie" originates from a fanfiction. Sadly I can't remember who wrote it, or what it was called. It describes Harry and Hermione's first kiss, and it is set during or after some party. Harry has eaten some pumpkin pie, and after they kissed, Hermione says: "You taste like pumpkin pie." I believe this ficlet was read out loud on one of the first Harmony Podcasts. Somewhere between 1 and 9 to be more specific.
I'm not 100 % sure I'm right here, I'm just telling you what I've heard.

Hope this helps

I think your right about that and I cant remember for the life of me who wrote that

Here's the explaination from SenseandSensibility.org:

The nickname HMS Pumpkin Pie is derived from a fan fiction piece posted by Harry/Hermione supporter, Narri at FictionAlley Park in late November of 2001 which involved the Harry and Hermione kissing after Harry had just eaten pumpkin pie with Hermione stating in the end that he tastes like pumpkin pie.

Hope that helps!

as g as we're talking about H/Hr nicknames andwhat they mean and stuff, whatdoes HMS stand for? harmony- what? or is it not even harmony?

Harmony is Harry & Hermione put together, HMS is a title of British ships, >> In the U.S. it would USS.

Actually

HMS means

His Majesty's Ship/ Her Majesty's Ship

Harmony isn't actually Harry and Hermione put together as far as I know anyway, Harmione is the actual spelling but it changed after people got tired of calling the Harry and Hermione ship HMS Pumpkin Pie. As far as I know anyway

So I found this on harryandhermioneorg.portkey.org. It is the orginal story that the someone had posted and the webmaster posted on her website.

HMS Pumpkin Pie Origin

Title: Untitled, but it's known as the original Pumpkin Pie tale
Author: Narri
Rating: PG or PG-13 (not quite sure)
Genre: fluff
length: one shot
Ships: H/Hr


Sometimes, when Harry had so many things on his mind--well, they weren't so many as they were so massive--bits of the things he chose to hide snuck up to the surface and displayed themselves in his actions. So much for hiding them.

In the past, it had been things like nightmares he didn't want anyone to know about. His friends, at least, could always tell that something was wrong, especially if he was too busy worrying about exams and Voldemort and Quidditch to even think of hiding the fact that he was having the nightmares.

This was one of those times when the amount and size of all he had to think of was so over-flowing that something he'd been fighting to keep down for at least a year now slipped out.

His mind teeming over with thoughts of Voldemort, Quidditch, Dumbledore, exams, death, life, vengeance, and oddly, something about that pumpkin pie remained on his mind�Harry wasn't guarding it. The militia surrounding his heart had been fighting off, without pause, the sneaking "Tell her" for over a year now, and they were quite tired, as it was.

It was after supper, after he'd eaten that nagging pumpkin pie. He shouldn't have eaten it; he was, ultimately, the only one at the table once he'd finished, but, alas, he'd eaten it, and now he had to suffer the consequence of heading up to the Gryffindor Tower alone. His stomach full of the gingery pumpkiny mush (that's how this author thinks of it anyway), his heart attempting to beat off the tired soldiers (unbeknownst to his brain, of course; the brain can never keep track of the heart, you know), his mind running over the inevitable facing of Voldemort one last time and the results that would mean either life or death, his fingers sliding across the stone walls and over the stairway banisters, his feet shuffling against the stone flag floor, he slowly made his way to the common room, where his Transfiguration homework awaited him. Lovely subject, Transfiguration. It evoked such confidence of victory in Harry to see daily death omens.

It'd be funny if all that ginger were actually rat poisoning, he mused, kill me off the good old Muggle way-- "Harry?"

Having thought and walked himself into a fuddled self, he blinked a few times at the sound of his name and realized he was staring at a stone wall. He must've taken a wrong turn or something along the way�

"What are you doing up here?"

He turned around, facing the voice he'd recognized but failed to register immediately. "Where's here?" he inquired stupidly.

Rat poisoning, he confirmed. He did stoop that low.

The answer to his question was quite obvious now that he'd turned around. The telescopes and pale moonlight gave away that he'd somehow managed his way up to the Astronomy Tower. And there was Hermione, perched up on one of the wide sills circling the room, arms looped tightly around her knees and eyes staring inquisitively at Harry.

Upon eye contact, he immediately felt squeamish, on which he blamed the rat poison. The militia was poked back into place, but his heart squashed them in seconds. Harry didn't know, though.

"I seem to have taken a wrong turn," said Harry lamely when Hermione didn't respond.

"Oh." She looked away, out one of the immense side windows, down at the lake glittering like little fireflies some distance away.

She looked so small, sitting there in an almost fetal position. The soft light slipped beneath her thick hair and highlighted the side of her face he could barely see, a thin stream sparkling against a single tear sliding slowly, roughly down the quivering skin that was Hermione's cheek.

The militia was dead, and Harry knew it. His heart slipped down into the depths of his clenching stomach, and it was in that moment that Harry realized if he didn't let it out, it wouldn't be rat poisoning or magic that would kill him; it would be spontaneous combustion, as he was about to blow in that very moment.

Unsteady in the truth he'd finally accepted, Harry moved across the room to Hermione's window and sat on the spot next to her, forcing himself to maintain distance. He'd fought this for over a year, these confused feelings he'd developed for his female friend. She was untouchable. To think of her in any way but platonic seemed to violate the very values on which their friendship was based. At least, that's what his mind told his heart, but, as said before, the heart never listens to the mind.

He wet his lips. They felt cracked, his throat parched, his stomach clenched, and his hands sweaty, so when he spoke, his voice shook. "What's wrong?" he asked quietly, trying to shield the tremor in his voice through softness.

She bit her lip. Harry wished she hadn't. This action had drawn his attention to this specific attribute of hers, and now he found he couldn't look away. It was quite fascinating how red Hermione's lips were when she chose not to wear make-up, and the downward curve in the middle of her upper lip begged for inspection from his tongue.

He closed his eyes tightly. But the images still remained, and his stomach turned hotly.

"I just can't stop thinking about it," said Hermione softly.

He opened his eyes. She was looking at him now, her brown eyes sparkling with unshed tears. She was fighting them, but still a few slipped by and rolled down her cheeks.

On instinct, Harry reached out and brushed one away, failing to realize his action until after it had been completed. And to Harry's surprise, Hermione leaned her head slightly to the side Harry had brushed. "I keep thinking that you have so much to think about, so much to bring you down, and you're not showing it."

He slid his thumb over the salty wetness of the tear he'd collected on his index finger. "I'm okay," he said hoarsely. "Actually, I'm not. But not in the way that you would think."

Hermione laughed slightly. "You know, sometimes I just want to grab your shoulders and shake you and tell you, 'Just let it out, Harry! Just let it out or it'll kill you!'"

She looked at him with a sad smile on her face, half her lips curved while the other remained straight. "You can tell me things, Harry. You know that, right? If there's anything you need to tell me, I just want you to tell me. I can't stand the thought of losing you, and I feel like I am."

The tear had dried on his hand. "You're not," he whispered. "I just can't tell you everything."

"Why not?" she persisted, placing a hand on his shoulder.

"Because�" He stopped, picked up his eyes. Looked into hers. "God, Hermione," he moaned.

"What?" she asked, looking startled, retracting her arm, but not before he reached out and grabbed a hold of it.

"I've been fighting a lot of things. Some I've won, some I have yet to finish, and some I lost." He hesitated. "You're one I lost."

She blinked at him, confused. "You didn't lose me, Harry."

"No, but I lost myself to you."

Hermione was puzzled, and her face made a great show of it. Lines formed on her forehead and her nose wrinkled, her eyes slipping down to the floor in thought. "What are you saying?" she whispered.

Harry was surprised at the intensity of her words. By the look of her face, he'd assumed she was bewildered, but her voice suggested the opposite.

He couldn't take it. He had to risk it, or he'd die.

His hand snuck under Hermione's chin and tilted her face to his, forcing her eyes up. Her mouth opened slightly as she let out a breath of surprise. "Harry?" she asked.

He didn't speak. He couldn't. His insides were rattling too hard. All he could do was slowly lower his lips down until they were pressed against Hermione's, until the delicate skin of his own dry lips met up against her soft, damp once, until the breath she released made a direct transfer from her mouth into his, and it was then, at that moment, his heart jumped back up and went from clenching his stomach to pounding against him and forcing his lips to press harder into Hermione's. He felt the curve he'd noted earlier slide across his lower lip as he tilted his head, shutting his eyes, and felt, to his relief, Hermione respond. She must have noticed his lips were rather dry because she wasn't very hesitant in adding moisture from her mouth onto his.

He decided in that moment that lip balm was completely unnecessary when it was obvious Hermione's saliva could heal all wounds.

Everything that had been clogging his heart and mind subsided as Hermione's front teeth clashed against his, the militia was swept away as her tongue met his, and he got an adrenaline rush that lifted his spirits he didn't think even the best Quidditch match could ever live up to.

It was only when their oxygen level went to a dizzying low that they pulled apart, and at that, they didn't pull very far away.

"You're wrong," Hermione whispered suddenly, touching her swollen lips.

"What?" Harry asked.

"You're wrong about losing."

"I am?"

"You didn't lose, Harry." She smiled slightly. "It was a stalemate. A tie. We both fought it, I think. But in the end, we both threw down our crowns at the same time and accepted the fact that sometimes, you can't always fight it. And you know what?"

"What?"

"You taste like pumpkin pie."

I cried. I literally cried. I want my hope and ship back! NOW!

On the Harmony podcasts. How do I listen to them? I can't get it to work.

MODLY MINI-RANT!

about:

1. Some PK-ers ignoring pinned threads (would've spared 'em the trouble of asking how our ships' names came to be);

2. Some sites copying this topic's info about HMS Pumpkin Pie/HMS Harmony, without acknowledging or linking back to this thread.


*shakes head*

I've lost count of how many shorter threads have we merged into this one, most of which had asked exactly the same question: Why is the H/H ship called the HMS Pumpkin Pie or HMS Harmony? PK mods had linked this thread in the H/H Forum Rules topic that's been pinned in the H/H main forum from Apr 2004 until Apr or May 2008.**

**I'm sure of these dates 'cos I was one of the mods who drafted those rules; and I personally moved that "H/H forum rules" topic from H/H main only days/weeks ago.



Also, while recently merging the post-2005 rehashed questions, I saw links to other sites that copied the description I'd written in Sep 2003:



Then those sites copied the orig story, most likely from one of the links I had dug up:


Would've been nice if those sites had at least:
-- acknowledged that they got that info from this Portkey thread, OR
-- linked to this topic.

But at least they've been listing the author of the fic, Narri.

I suppose some of those sites hadn't intended to omit their source. So I'm not angry, just mildly irked. It took a lot of work to compile that info and dig up the FAP threads. For one thing, it's not easy to search for old posts in there.

Whatever their source may be, it can surely be linked back to this very PK thread. Shortly after compiling those historical info in Sep 2003, I started including this topic's title and URL in our starting template for the Pumpkin Pie SCUSA threads (my FAP ID's galtxtr. Those SCUSA threads' templates include this "origin" thread to this day.

When someone had PM'd me in Jun2004 that I hadn't given enough credit in this post, I quickly emailed Parker to ask for her permission. That's when I inserted her reply in my Sep 2003 post.




- Pen,
will roll my eyes if I see a new thread (ie, made after this post's date) asking why we call ourselves the HMS Pumpkin Pie or HMS Harmony
not after I've linked this topic in the topmost H/H subforum's forum description box!

Just thought I'd share this piece of H/H shipping history, which I found only days ago while looking over this thread. The link NAPPA had given (and which I've copied below) was started by NarriPatters, whom I think is the same Narri who wrote that Pumpkin Pie story that lent its name to the H/H ship.