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caina
Author's Note: Let me preface this essay with a note about using this chapter out of the Bible. I felt it was usable because it speaks only of love and does not mention any specific deity. It does not put forth any religious tenants. It basically reads as a poem about love, and if you read it, you will see how perfectly it describes the relationship between Harry and Hermione. If you're anti-Christian, anti-religion, keep in mind I'm not trying to convert you. I'm just using some beautiful script that speaks of the kind of love that H/Hr share. All italicized text from 1 Corinthians 13.

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Deep and Abiding Love :: Harry and Hermione from OOTP


If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging
cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and
understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and
if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but
have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I
have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,
but have not love, I gain nothing.



The release of the sixth book, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince quickly approaches, and I feel the need to write this to the H/Hr shippers who are in a panic that H/Hr won't happen. My message to you is have faith in the friendship, and the canon evidence of our ship. Cling to it now more than ever, because regardless of the romantic factor, the friendship Harry and Hermione share cannot be denied.

For many people, the books aren’t about romance at all, and while that may be true, the books certainly are about love. It is love that will defeat Voldemort in the end, and I wanted to share some thoughts on the love between Harry and Hermione that this chapter from the Bible brought home to me.

A prophecy is at the heart of the story. It is the driving force that brought Voldemort and Harry together as mortal enemies. Harry was saved by his mother’s love as a baby, but now that she is gone, and Voldemort has taken the protection Harry’s mother had given him, he will need the love of someone else to take her place, to act as the strength he will need to overcome the ultimate force of evil in his world, which is Voldemort.

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or
boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on
its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does
not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all
things, endures all things.


Everything that is written in the passages above is everything that Ron and Hermione are not. This is not to say that Ron and Hermione don’t love one another, they do, as friends, but when it comes to a serious, lasting love, they just don’t have what it takes. Harry and Hermione have this kind of relationship, and they have throughout the entire series. It became stronger and more apparent in the Order of the Phoenix than it did in any other book of the series thus far.

It is true, opposites do sometimes attract, and bickering can be seen as a sign of romantic interest in one another, but bickering just isn’t enough. Ron and Hermione, as a couple, is shallow at best. Is the kind of relationship built solely on fighting with one another the kind that can last in the worst of times? I think not. It does not rejoice at wrongdoing…that makes me think of the times Ron has looked pleased when he has said something particularly hurtful to Hermione to deeply upset her, and vice versa, and I notice that Harry and Hermione don’t have this kind of relationship. Has Harry ever said anything to hurt Hermione? Yes, but not nearly as often as Ron has, and I’ve never seen JK write him to enjoy it like she has with Ron and Hermione. This kind of behavior, to me at least, seems like the kind of behavior you’d see between teenaged siblings, not two people who are destined to become a lasting couple.

I believe JK has shown Hermione to be the shield that will save Harry, or at least the most important component in that shield, the fountain from which he will draw strength to overcome when he needs it most. It is his love for her, and her love for him, that will overcome in the end. What makes me think this is the way JK has always written their friendship. It is exactly as it is in 1 Corinthians 13. There is no better description of the kind of love they share than that.

One of my favorite aspects of the H/Hr relationship is the way Harry’s voice of conscience speaks in Hermione’s voice, how she inspires him to become better than what he is, how he is so terribly conscious of her opinion of him and how that affects their relationship. All through Order of the Phoenix we saw examples of these things, and it bespeaks a love that is very deep, very mature, and meaningful on a level that no other couple in the book has been portrayed to share. No one has as powerful an impact on Harry’s heart, mind, and life as Hermione does in the series, especially the Order of the Phoenix. No one goes to the lengths that Hermione does to ensure Harry’s happiness and mental well-being that Hermione does.

I think of the differences between Ginny and Hermione, and what they both do for Harry in Order of the Phoenix. Ginny means well when she tries comes up with a plan to help Harry sneak into Umbridge’s office to speak to Sirius concerning what he saw in the Penseive regarding his father, Sirius, and Snape. She listened to Harry’s concerns and went to her brothers to work up a plan to get him in to Umbridge’s office. But did she come up with the plan? No, she went to someone else, her brothers, and left them to do the work of getting things done. Why? Because she’s young and inexperienced at making things happen. She also told Harry what it was like to be possessed by Tom Riddle and how what he described was nothing like her experience, and she helped (with Hermione and Luna) with the rescue attempt at the DoM.

However, the things that Ginny does for Harry pale in comparison to the things that Hermione does for Harry (not only in OOTP, but throughout the series), and Hermione does it on her own, she takes the initiative and gets these things done on her own. In Order of the Phoenix, Hermione overcomes her fear of saying Lord Voldemort, and she does it for who? Harry. It is Hermione who sees Harry’s suffering at Umbridge’s hands and comes up with the idea for the DA, so that Harry would be able to actively fight Umbridge and the Ministry, giving him an outlet for his frustration. It was Hermione who blackmailed Rita Skeeter all the way back in book four, and then used that power to get Harry’s story out to the Wizarding world so that the people could get to thinking that perhaps there is more to Harry than the Daily Prophet was letting on. These things are on such a deeper level than anything Harry has with Ginny or any other girl in the series. Everything about Harry and Hermione are on a deeper level. What would he do without Hermione?

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass
away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge,
it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we
prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the
partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke
like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.
When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For
now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now
I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have
been fully known.


I believe that no matter what happens this is the kind of enduring and lasting love that Harry and Hermione share. Harry is becoming a man in the Wizarding world, and Hermione is becoming a woman. His match and his comforter have been written in Hermione and no one else. It’s obvious what Hermione means to the story, and Harry is the story, if one only looks with an open mind and heart. He needn’t try to spend the last two books growing closer to any other girl, trying to scramble to develop a deep and meaningful relationship with a near-stranger when the perfect one is right there in front of him. Hermione is the girl of this series, and Harry is the hero. This story is about Harry Potter, not Ron Weasley or the Weasley family. This was never made plainer than in the Order of the Phoenix, in which the Harry/Hermione relationship was taken to a whole new level to the diminishment of others.

13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but
the greatest of these is love.


Indeed, the greatest of all of those is love. Faith may be lost, hope may be broken underfoot, but love between the right people endures, and it will be so with Harry and Hermione. If you believe in anything, romantic or not, believe in their love, believe in their friendship. I know I do.
Hero of Time
I just want to say thank you for the letter. I am one of those Harry/Hermione shippers who was indeed losing his faith. It just seems like our ship is greatly out numbered at times and it seems like most in the fandom expect it to sink. I have been both long for and dreading the relese of HBP becasue I am afraid that they just aren't gunna happen. Your post has helped me muster up a lot more faith though. You helped me remember why I ship Harry/Hermione in the first place, because I believe in those virtures of love that you posted and I see it in those two. So, again thanks!
Precision
caina, I would just like to say that this is the single-best thread I have ever read. Trully. Thanks for this great insight.

As was noted by someone (JKR?), that the following two HP books will have somewhat of a biblical reference/theme. I heard this from somewhere, can't remember where. JKR was brought up a christian, and still is, I think that here style of writing is in the same mind-frame as the bible. Like how the characters are described and the traits.

Great Letter, I agree with all of you comments.
Perfect

Peace
-Mark

Rhosyn
Caina, that was a lovely essay. Perfectly said. smile.gif

Though I am not fearful for Harry and Hermione's relationship, it's reading wonderful things like this that helps speed the time 'til we get to learn of their further adventures.

Thank you!

Rhosyn
Moony Jr.
caina, words fail me. I really can't say how perfectly this sums it up for the H/Hr shippers out there. The fact that our ship can be strongly tied in with something JKR is known to believe in makes it all the more credible. Thank you for this brilliant thread and showing those that are doubting that we still have a chance. smile.gif
Colloportus
QUOTE
4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or
boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on
its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does
not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all
things, endures all things.



I truly thought this was one of the most insightful things I have read recently. I have been very much looking forward to the HBP, but at the same time I have been extremely nervous that H/Hr might not happen. This quote was especially a good motivator and gave me hope that R/Hr could not happen. Great post! thumbup.gif
hammergal04
I have not now, nor ever, lost my faith in the wonder that is the love of Harry and Hermione, but your essay just filled me with joy and it was a pleasure to read. And I appreciate your effort to bolster the faith of H/Hr shippers who may be so anxious they are having doubts to hide their disappointment. But all they need to do is read this and take heart.

Come what may, Harry and Hermione have a love for the ages.

~Sharon
ShadowFenix
Thanks for the renewed spurt of inspiration Caina! Your essays continue to bolster the morale on our side of the battle lines smile.gif
ladylaughalot
QUOTE(caina @ Jul 7 2005, 07:06 AM)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,
but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging
cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and
understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and
if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but
have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I
have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,
but have not love, I gain nothing.



4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or
boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on
its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does
not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all
things, endures all things.


8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass
away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge,
it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we
prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the
partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke
like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child.
When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For
now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now
I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have
been fully known.


13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but
the greatest of these is love.



crying.gif That's just beautiful Ciana. You've just made my evening. I have never lost my faith in Harry and Hermione and it's because I believe love is everything you've said it is and I can see that between Harry and Hermione.
thewall28304
Great essay, Caina,you've restored my faith in H/Hr. What makes me sick to my stomache about the R/Hr's is the down right smugness that they have about their imminent victory for the last two books. They remind me alot of the character Sebulba in "Star Wars-The Phantom Menace".He gloated througought the entire race that he had already won and when he was bitterly defeated,you saw the hate and anger on his face. Similar to how the R/Hr's are going to feel if they loose the shipping war to us. I think H/Hr's would be mortally wounded if we lost and would ask a million questions as to why we lost.But I think the R/Hr's would be in tears and yelling they had been tricked for an entire series into thinking Ron was going to get the girl in the end.
HermionePotter15
wub.gif That was the mos beautiful thing I've ever read! And is soo true! I don't care whatever happens in the book...Harry/Hermione will love eachother no matter what...and that love could be romance or just friendship but it exists between them...! thumbup.gif

Im so inlove with ship... wub.gif

HaRmoNy4eVeR! ( no matter what! wink.gif )
cheesemassacre
Thank you for that inspiring essay.I was losing the faith when I saw the R/Hr evidence and yes the smugness of them it sickened me and it also intimidated me but after seeing this I'm better.
fishtankbabe
That was a beautiful essay, caina!

And as far as the smugness of certain ships goes, they were pretty smug before OotP came out, too. whistling.gif

I have every confidence that come July 16th, we'll all be having a nice big helping of pumpkin pie. biggrin.gif
mmobeen
hi all,

Great Post Caina. Loved every bit of it.

I am going through seriosus anxiety now a days. i cannot wait for HBP to come out. Although i want be getting it anytime soon as i spent all of money one buying my university books, thumbup.gif I will still log in to check PORTKEY for immediate confirmation on HARMONY's progress.

Hope is what keeps us all alive. We should not loose hope. Our ship will hopefully sail and we will get to enjoy and laugh in the end.

GODD LUCK TO US ALL.

Thanks
I Will Save You Harry
Caina....as always...brilliant! I had been having slight doubts about this next book...but once again....you remind me why H/Hr is my ship....because of the simplicity and beauty of their relationship/friendship.And the fact that love conquers all.

Absolutely Brilliant.
CursedBlondie
I am ashamed to admit that I was starting to loose hope...*mumbles* *stupidpeoplethatkeeptelllingmeH/Hwonthappen* but after reading ur essay I'm back to being the regular old me that is ready to do about anything to convince people that H/H will happen! biggrin.gif Thanks a bunch! thumbup.gif

I was actually studing this part of the bible not long ago at school (I go to a catholic school so it was like homework)
blake_burna
Excellent essay Caina. Excellent way to find inspiration, through Bible verses.

As we head into the final week before the release, I have mixed feelings of excitement and dread in reading HBP.

Even I, the great Blake_Burna (not conceited at all am I? biggrin.gif ) have been plagued by doubt brought on by the other ships.

Even the most devoted can have difficulty keeping the faith.
But I am sure that Harry and Hermione will be the ones beginning a relationship, REGARDLESS of the scenario it happens.

Five days and 22 minutes left...

+by the way, love your site+
caina
QUOTE(blake_burna @ Jul 11 2005, 03:38 AM)
Excellent essay Caina.  Excellent way to find inspiration, through Bible verses. 

As we head into the final week before the release, I have mixed feelings of excitement and dread in reading HBP. 

Even I, the great Blake_Burna (not conceited at all am I?  biggrin.gif ) have been plagued by doubt brought on by the other ships. 

Even the most devoted can have difficulty keeping the faith. 
But I am sure that Harry and Hermione will be the ones beginning a relationship, REGARDLESS of the scenario it happens. 

Five days and 22 minutes left...

+by the way, love your site+
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Thank you! I understand your feelings, so I've been delving into H/Hr essays, even writing some stuff on my own on why I believe in H/Hr to keep fear at bay. I'm FIRMLY convinced in my ship.

I recently updated Choosing Dean Thomas, my favorite essay, and I hope you'll re-read it. It may bolster your confidence the way it did mine. Just go to the thoughts page and scroll down a bit. You'll see it. I've added some facts and tightened it up a bit.

Caina.
fly-on-the-wall
Deleting post. One line posts not allowed-Caina
Harry's Girl
to all those pp who are starting to lose faith as the day 16th july creeps...

i got spoilers about the GOF movie. u can choose not to see it(if u are able to hold the urge), just don't beat me up for telling u there are spoilers and causing you the pain of holding the urge!

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=20682

http://www.mugglenet.com/movies/movie4/gofreview.shtml

The movie can't deviate much from the book right? if they are not suggesting or forecasting something, they need not put all these scenes into the movie.

Enjoy...fellow HHr shipper!
caina
QUOTE(Harry's Girl @ Jul 11 2005, 12:54 PM)
to all those pp who are starting to lose faith as the day 16th july creeps...

i got spoilers about the GOF movie. u can choose not to see it(if u are able to hold the urge), just don't beat me up for telling u there are spoilers and causing you the pain of holding the urge!

http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=20682

http://www.mugglenet.com/movies/movie4/gofreview.shtml

The movie can't deviate much from the book right? if they are not suggesting or forecasting something, they need not put all these scenes into the movie.

Enjoy...fellow HHr shipper!
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Not really sure how this helps keep the faith. It's about the movies, not the books. I don't really see the movies as doing anything but propogating the R/Hr ship since that's what the directors seem to believe.

Caina.
mmobeen
i have said this a lot of times and i am going to say it again.

The movies are made to make money. Movies make more money than all the books combined.

The directors and producers of Harry Potter movies are showing ROn/Hermione because thats what majority wants to see. I will bet 1000 galleons that they will keep showing R/Hr uptill 6th movie and then in the seventh movie they will show that in fact it was Harry/Hermione. Of course 7th movie won't do much business but The directors and producers would have already made enough money from previous 6 movies.

So it is a win / win situation for both J.K.Rowling and the directors/producers.

Besides this i have total faith in H/Hr. Yes i get my fare share of nervousness and anxiety. I even find concentrating hard on my studies but i remind myself that its not possible that after making hermione's character so perfect JKR would simply pair her with Ron. Who thinks nothing of her than a TROPHY.
Medusa
I hate to admit it, but yeah, I'm losing faith. I think I went from a 70-79% down to a 30-39%.

There are just soooo many R/Hr shippers. I fell like that small little kid at the play ground surrounded by about 50 bullies ready to start a beating. And they seem so confident!

And ignorance kinda is bliss, don't you think? I mean, without the romance, we can at least hope for Harry/Hermione moments. But as HBP draws nearer, I'm not so sure we'll see as much.

The only comfort I know is that if R/Hr does happen, we probably won't seeing making out at every hour, of every day.

And if H/Hr does happen, then I'll be happy to know that I'm smarter than the vast majority of Harry Potter readers for figering it out.
Rhosyn
QUOTE(Medusa @ Jul 11 2005, 04:26 PM)
I hate to admit it, but yeah, I'm losing faith.  I think I went from a 70-79% down to a 30-39%.

There are just soooo many R/Hr shippers.  I fell like that small little kid at the play ground surrounded by about 50 bullies ready to start a beating.  And they seem so confident!

And ignorance kinda is bliss, don't you think?  I mean, without the romance, we can at least hope for Harry/Hermione moments.  But as HBP draws nearer, I'm not so sure we'll see as much.

The only comfort I know is that if R/Hr does happen, we probably won't seeing making out at every hour, of every day.

And if H/Hr does happen, then I'll be happy to know that I'm smarter than the vast majority of Harry Potter readers for figering it out.
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Don't worry so much, Medusa. I do not think there are more R/Hr shippers out there, truthfully.

I think:

1) I'm going to pick on Mugglenet, but this also goes for places like Veritaserum and Leaky. it's sheer accident that the founder of Mugglenet ships R/Hr. After establishing the site, they naturally attract and hire like-minded people to work on the site. Especially in the online world where you usually work for free, it's all about being friends with someone higher up and nepotism; and the way to find a friend is to share their views and have lots in common with them. I'm not saying that Mugglenet staff ship just to get a job - I'm saying that they naturally all run in the same crowd, and you hire people you know, usually. And people you know, you know because they have shared your views, etc.

In the end, had the founder of the site shipped H/Hr, half of us might have ended up working there. That book 6 editorial would have read completely differently. biggrin.gif

2) The personality type that the R/Hr ship attracts are generally more vocal than H/Hr shippers. Notice I say "generally"; I feel certain there are some closet R/Hr shippers out there who are too shy to do more than lurk, just like there are a ton of H/Hr shippers who opened up the LT and fled online fandom forever in the face of that bile. I did, that place was SO nasty and the R/Hrs were so rude and overpowering. I didn't come back to online fandom til many months later when I heard about the existence of portkey.org.

So in short? I think it's just accident that they ended up controlling a few of the more popular "general news" fandom sites. I also think they tend (tend here, not absolute) to be louder and more antagonistic than the average H/Hr shipper.

I do not think they vastly outnumber us.
caina
QUOTE(Rhosyn @ Jul 12 2005, 01:01 AM)
1) I'm going to pick on Mugglenet, but this also goes for places like Veritaserum and Leaky.  it's sheer accident that the founder of Mugglenet ships R/Hr.  After establishing the site, they naturally attract and hire like-minded people to work on the site.  Especially in the online world where you usually work for free, it's all about being friends with someone higher up and nepotism; and the way to find a friend is to share their views and have lots in common with them.  I'm not saying that Mugglenet staff ship just to get a job - I'm saying that they naturally all run in the same crowd, and you hire people you know, usually.  And people you know, you know because they have shared your views, etc.

I do not think they vastly outnumber us.
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You know, I agree with you on that part, and I also wonder to myself quite often what they will say when H/Hr happens. I mean it. What will they say? Firstly, I can tell by their attitudes that they won't apologize for short changing the H/Hr shipper. You know, I've submitted 5 essays supporting H/Hr to Madam Puddifoot's and not ONE of them has been even responded to. Not one single one. Not even a response. Yet you have them putting up an article section that says 'Articles Disproving ships" and guess what? It has only ONE article and it's anti-H/Hr. Figures. What about the essays that I've written that disprove the R/Hr ship? If they're so fair why haven't they posted at least one of them? Why do they so staunchly ignore me? I think they're afraid I might change someone's mind.

Caina.
mmobeen
Folks i would like to point out a fact........

Why every single "Popular" website supports HERON ?????

I would like to state the reasons and some facts.

The currect world lives on MARKETING. Everywhere we go we see marketing. We have telemarketers calling us at homes and trying to sell us things. The companies now a days don't pay much attention to but pay sole attention to MARKETING.

Nike, Addidas, Reebok and many other companies don't even own a single factory which makes their shoes or jerseys which they sell. All of these companies only have marketing offices and the stuff they seel is outsourced to various other companies who make clothes and shoes without labels which these companies label and sell us. The stuff which is worth $10 becomes worth $20 if it has a sticker of some designer company.

My point is this...............

People who run Mugglenet, The Leaky Cauldron or other popular sites are not real HERON supporters.

These people have created these websites to attract majority of shippers who are HERONS and have made these websites into a sort of MARKETING and MONEY MAKING MACHINE.

Just imagine how much traffic mugglenet and leaky cauldron attracts. Its like a heaven for marketers. Anybody who pays these websites for advertisements will be able to attract thousands of prospective customers.

Michael Moore said in one of his films "Keep telling a lie and people will finally beleive it to be truth."

This is what these websites are doing.

Now i am not against it this type of Marketing but the least Mugglenet and leaky cauldron can do is not be against HARMONIANS. They are too biased and thats why it has become a heaven for HERONS.

I am really shocked and outraged that J.K.Rowling has awarded Leaky ccauldron and Mugglenet with awards and supports them as her favourite sites on her Webpage. How can these sites be best if they just attract people who voice a single opinion namely HERON.
Matty
First of all, I would like to thank Caina for writing this letter for all those supporters, who are losing faith in their ship for Harry and Hermione.

Although I am not one of them, this letter can encourage all of us to keep our faith, and know that H/Hr will happen!

On the comment made by mmobeen, I do believe that Mugglenet and Leaky Cauldron are biased about the relationships in the Harry Potter series, and I do think they do it to satisfy their visitors...who are mainly R/Hr supporters.

I only go too these two sites for the latest HP News and nothing else, I can't be bothered to read what they have in offer, because it just ends up going all the way to Ron and Hermione.
Celebrian Helyanwe
I wish I were one of those people who didn't care whether or not Harry and Hermione got together or not. They will still have a wonderful friendship. But to me it feels like my life depends on it. I am excited for the next book, but scared to death. And my poor friend is always coming to me for reassurance when I'm afraid myself. I will either love it completely or I will hate it to death. I keep losing faith. But that essay is really good. Thanks for writing that caina. Good luck everyone in reading the book! H/Hr better win in the end! This might be my last post before we will be discussing the book, so I will see you all then. Until then, pumpkin pie to all and to all a good night! rolleyes.gif
Gryffindor-Sword
I want to first thank you for the wonderful letter concerning keeping faithful to the HMS Harmony. I had some doubts with the release of the HBP predictions and I can't wait for the book and it would put me a ease until the 7th Book comes out with even more prediction concerning the outcome. I also only go to Mugglenet just for the news; however I also post on their forums, but only to defend my position their in which I have on a few occasion. However, I'm ignored on that forum, repeatedly, except for some of the loyal Harmony fans who post their ideas there.

I hope that our ship sails and that the Heron's ship sinks with the death of Ron (in which I doubt, but can't dismiss).
Celebrian Helyanwe
ok...edit my post above. i'm not losing some of my faith. i think i've lost all of it. i have like...5% left. i won't say hoe or why.....just someone please help me. unsure.gif sad.gif shocked.gif crying.gif
caina
QUOTE(Gryffindor-Sword @ Jul 12 2005, 11:01 PM)
I hope that our ship sails and that the Heron's ship sinks with the death of Ron (in which I doubt, but can't dismiss).
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I hope Harmony wins too, but I wouldn't want to see Ron or Ginny die. I love both of those characters. I don't allow my dislike of the R/Hr, H/G ship to make me dislike the characters. They're good kids and I'd hate to see either one of them die. I think that's going a bit far really. Love to Ron and Ginny, I just don't want to see them hooking up with Hermione or Harry romantically.

Caina.
caina
QUOTE(Celebrian_Helyanwe @ Jul 13 2005, 12:20 AM)
ok...edit my post above. i'm not losing some of my faith. i think i've lost all of it. i have like...5% left. i won't say hoe or why.....just someone please help me. unsure.gif  sad.gif   shocked.gif  crying.gif
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You want to tell us why? Did you hear something, or read a quote from JK Rowling that made you doubt? Try going to Hermione Loves Harry and reading the thoughts page. There's a newly updated version of an essay there called Choosing Dean Thomas. Read that. That may help you. In the end, you'll just have to read HBP and hope for the best. That's all any of us who've lost faith can do. And remember, Half-Blood Prince isn't the last book. R/Hr H/G may happen in this book, but the series could end with H/Hr.

Caina.
star22
You know, I am really tempted to read the last couple of pages first just to see if something happened. I might just do it. I have no patience. I just got a notice from Amazon that my copy has been shipped. Tomorrow! Yay!!!!

Anyway, I wouldn't worry. What happens happens. These papers don't know any more than we do and probably less. R/Hr is a very hollywood type romance, and all of the media wants it to happen. That doesn't mean that it will. We must have faith that JKR knows what real romance is about and goes with H/Hr. If not, we'll always have fanfiction. Maybe someone can write one with the same plot line with H/Hr if it doesn't happen.

Another thing. Until the 7th book, everything is still up for grabbs. We have lots of time ahead. Be patient and faithful, Pumpkinites. The harmonious relationship of Harry and Hermione will last beyond HBP, beyond book 7, and into the future. We will not give up, no matter what happens. I will proudly continue to wear my PP hat and Portkey shirt (whatever happened to those anyways?).

Faith people. We must stand together. Our ship is the largest, even if it doesn't have the biggest population. That's all the better. More room for us to have fun. The Good Ship is way overcrouded. We understand relationships better. We know what is real. Even if it doesn't pan out, we will still be right.
Harry n Hermione 4ever
My Goodness. I've been so down about HBP, I really needed this. I really love the "love is" passage from Corinthians. It is my favourite in the entire bible. Harry and Hermione have a relationship like no other. Though it seems to be getting a little rocky, I have not lost faith and I will never lose faith in this ship. Harry and Hermione are two characters that we have all watched grow and mature into the people they are now. What they are in the new book, it doesn't matter. All I know is that they love eachother, no matter what the odds, obstacles, or characters in the way.

Keep the faith. Harry and Hermione for life.
Puckle
QUOTE(star22 @ Jul 15 2005, 06:42 PM)
Anyway, I wouldn't worry. What happens happens. These papers don't know any more than we do and probably less. R/Hr is a very hollywood type romance, and all of the media wants it to happen. That doesn't mean that it will. We must have faith that JKR knows what real romance is about and goes with H/Hr. If not, we'll always have fanfiction. Maybe someone can write one with the same plot line with H/Hr if it doesn't happen.

Another thing. Until the 7th book, everything is still up for grabbs. We have lots of time ahead. Be patient and faithful, Pumpkinites. The harmonious relationship of Harry and Hermione will last beyond HBP, beyond book 7, and into the future. We will not give up, no matter what happens. I will proudly continue to wear my PP hat and Portkey shirt (whatever happened to those anyways?).

Faith people. We must stand together. Our ship is the largest, even if it doesn't have the biggest population. That's all the better. More room for us to have fun. The Good Ship is way overcrouded. We understand relationships better. We know what is real. Even if it doesn't pan out, we will still be right.
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I just have to first say that you rock! I was going to say something similar to what you did. smile.gif

All I know is that while I may be disappointed, it's not the end. We still have one book left. Who knows when it'll be out, but it's somewhere in the future. Don't give up hope everyone! And I know that if it doesn't end up in our favor when it's all said and done, there is still fanfiction!
EngShin
You know guys your right.... smile.gif I was beginning to lose faith in Pumpkin Pie it maybe a........ shutup.gif but there is still book 7 but I'm still disappointed it happen so fast that you can't even say 'how did that happen?' I will not lose faithin this ship even if it doesn't sail in the future I will go down with it..... wub.gif crying.gif
Thalian
i dont know what to think for our ship after the latest book im lost and confused and dont have a clue whats happening anymore.
Lissy
One thing HBP proves it that:

SPOILER!
Not even Jo can write Chocolate with out making it rot out your teeth. Hopefully she will see the light and give up.
EngShin
That is so right Lissy it made no sense dry.gif and it's super cheesy SuperAngry.gif ........I want to puke everytime I read that part in the book twisted.gif
exhaledeeply
I don't mean to lose faith, and I don't. It's just.

SPOILER!
It looks... It looks like Hermione likes Ron back. She flatters Harry, and that even makes me blush, but she was going to invite him to that Dinner, then said "Well, I supposed you want me and that other guy to hook up..." and he said "No, I don't.." I don't know. It was very. :/ Not reassuring. My heart is broken. o_o;
Lissy
I'm still trying to figure out a reason why my copy of HBP should not be returned to the book store I got it from, tomorrow. This one is such a monumental disappointment that I am trying to think of any reason at all why I should keep the book and not get my money back. Talk about a let down.
Tiffany
QUOTE(Lissy @ Jul 16 2005, 07:31 AM)
One thing HBP proves it that:

SPOILER!
Not even Jo can write Chocolate with out making it rot out your teeth.  Hopefully she will see the light and give up.
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Ouch.

I think she just can't write romance. Either that or she's got a whopper of a surprise for book seven.

I cannot wait to hear some essayists thoughts. They'll pull something from that dreck of a book, I'm sure of it. I want somebody to make sense of the OOC that was so rampant in the freaking thing.

Take. It. Back.

I would take mine, but my mom wants to read it. I tried to warn her....
crookshank
Its been a while since I've been here but I just needed to come here today and say......I couldnt finish the book... mad2.gif it just ruined my day.

SPOILER!

So its Ginny! Harry's second love, and the kiss...that really sucks! SuperAngry.gif

Like many here, I thought of returning my copy and get a refund..

Ginny....Harry kissed Ginny...felt like reading a Fanfic I wouldnt read int he first place...this really sucks! mad2.gif

And Hermione even showed her interest finally..and it on RON!!!!!!!!!1How worst can it get? Seems like each page I turn and read, its Harry and Ginny..Harry and Ginny...where did the Harry and Hermione of Bk5 go?

All of a sudden its Ginny on Harry's side. A total 360 turn about...sucks! mad2.gif


Dont mind me Im just rumbling here nonsense, just go on and read more...Ill go and look for other books to read instead... cool.gif
Dawn
As the subject to this thread says "Keep The Faith in H/Hr-Here is Why You Should" ..

Book 7. Until we read the final word of the last book, the journey is yet to be over for us. I refuse to dimiss any chance of Harry/Hermione getting together because of HBP. It may have not gone our way in HBP but no journey is not without its bumps and detours and that was what HBP was - a relationship detour to the wrong ports before reaching the mother homeland. blush.gif

Dawn
bianca
I am really disappointed with HBP, not just because there's no H/Hr progression but more because of the way Jo pushed H/G on us. I could have handled the R/Hr better butGinny? It's just eeky. Harry has never shown any interest in her and suddenly he loves her! Talk about stupid character development!
H/Giscanon
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Polaris15
QUOTE(H/Giscanon)
I would have to agree, you see, if something turns around 360 degrees, it stays in the same place. If that concept is is too confusing to you and you need help click on the underlined letters

Basic Geometry


laugh.gif I'm certain that Crookshank understands the "concept of basic geometry." In fact, I would be surprised if any Harmonian doesn't, seeing how one of our most prominent essays is titled "circular" imagery.

Therefore, I would appreciate if you show some decency and class on an H/Hr forum. If you wish to celebrate, I'm sure SugarQuill has an entire hive of people waiting with drinks.



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I used to be confused as to why anyone would ship H/Hr as Hermione has always been like a sister to Harry and JK said that H/Hr was platonic. Lokking at this though, it all makes sense. Confused by the word platonic? Click on these underlined letters.

platonic


rolleyes.gif Again, what's with the patronism? It's not as if we don't believe you have the ability to use an on-line dictionary. Perhaps Harry and Hermione are destined to be platonic friends, but that's more than what anyone can say for Harry and Ginny from books 1-5. Over a single book, Ginny-who? became Ginny-sue!...pity...I've seen more transition for those rags-to-riches.

However, a hearty congrats to the HMS Chocolate is needed regardless.

Cheers!

Polaris
Potter's Otter
I, too, would like to say congrats to the Chocolateers......... For now!

Like someone said before, this is book 6. We have 1 more book to go.
I firmly believe that JKR has something monumental in store for us in book 7.

I, for one, am sort of glad that it didn't happen for us ..... yet.
I must, must, must believe that she's saving the best for last. biggrin.gif
Sadistic Shadow
QUOTE(bianca @ Jul 16 2005, 05:09 PM)
I am really disappointed with HBP, not just because there's no H/Hr progression but more because of the way Jo pushed H/G on us.  I could have handled the R/Hr better butGinny?  It's just eeky.  Harry has never shown any interest in her and suddenly he loves her!  Talk about stupid character development!
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Actually, I am of the complete opposite opinion of you, haha. I can take H/G, but not R/Hr. Anyway... My shipper soul came so close to being lost... But like Sirius in PoA movie, my shipper soul kinda' floated right back in once the immediate danger passed happy.gif... I find that the more you read negative opinions or make your own little jokes, the easier everything becomes to stomach and you can start looking at things more objectively because you're no longer as upset. Very handy, for me, anyway. What I was once calling 'canon rape' to Hermione's character now greatly amuses me.
brighteyes
Hi,
Its my first post so hi everyone,i am anu smile.gif
Regarding the book 6 god i am hurt severly ,the book was more of a shock than (as i expected) joy.
I dont know why JKR did this to us ,come on R/hr SuperAngry.gif and GINNY as love of harry(GOD !I AM SUFFOCATING) are so against my logic .But i still feel there is hope as we still have one more book to go and as being the last one we can expect many things.
My reasons are quite vague innocent.gif We see harry is maturing fastly and he might see the concern hermione has for him and maybe love.Secondly (correct if i m wrong)JKR said before GoF that every one is in love with the wrong person (r/hr) .And the most unusual support for h/hr came from my sis ,she is a psychologist ,according to her the dream in which cho turns into hermione shows that he has a very stong feeling for hermione ,and his mind is trying to disguise it for certain reasons.(i can give u the whole description if u want)
so ppl keep the prayers going

luv
ANU
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