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caina
You often hear Herons and Chocolateers (I'm no good with all these shipping names. What I mean are R/Hr and H/G shippers) claim that romance isn't integral to the plot of the story. I see this as a weak attempt to shoot down H/Hr. Of course romance is powerful love, and I'll tell you why I believe that.

I'm not trying to get religious on anyone, and what I'm about to say has nothing to do with religion, but common sense, so please hear me out before anyone gets angry and thinks that I'm trying to push the Christian religion on everyone and trying to convert people to Christianity because I'm not, but the Bible has a lot to say on love and the different kinds of love, but there's one quote, and I don't even remember where it is, where it says the man shall leave his parents and cling to his wife, they'll become as one.

If you think about it, this is a very smart, simple, common-sense thing. When you grow up you are supposed leave mommy and daddy behind and you cling to your mate. You become ONE with them. They become as much a part of you as you are unto yourself. This kind of love is based on romance, but it's more than that. You see, I firmly believe that romance is all the different kinds of love rolled up into one and spiced up with some hot nookie twisted.gif tongue.gif

Seriously. I really do. How deep must love be if you become ONE with someone? That is every bit as, if not more, important as the love of your parents, brothers/sisters. I know for one that if you're married your spouse is supposed to come before anyone else in your life (with the exception of your children). Before Harry can know parental love from the standpoint of being the parent he must know romantic love. He must know what it is to become one with someone. To do so, he has to give himself up completely and unselfishly to someone else.

That's powerful love. More powerful than the love you feel for mom and dad, brother and/or sister. It just is. This doesn't diminish the importance of your parents and siblings, it just places someone else first in line for your love and loyalty. The only other love that should be able to beat that is the love you feel for your offspring. No other love should ever outshine that, and one day, Harry and Hermione will know that love for their children.

This, I believe, is the kind of power Voldemort knows not. JK herself has said that Voldemort has never loved anyone. Now, we saw what Harry's love for Sirius did for him at the end of OOTP. It drove Voldemort away, it hurt him. Now, as much as Harry loved Sirius, he wasn't in love with his god-father. He didn't even know Sirius as well, or share the same kind of deep bond with him, as he does with Hermione. He knows her so much better than he knows anyone else, and she knows him this way in return.

When you know this kind of romantic love, the love that makes you one with someone, then your heart becomes invincible. I truly believe that this romantic love with Hermione will play a part in saving Harry's life and overcoming Voldemort in the end. So, when someone says that romance has nothing or little to do with the story, I'm inclined to disagree.
Precision
One word...Perfect.

It is true. This is a fact of life. Your parents/brothers/sisters won't be around forever, and you won't around with them forever. When your with someone for a long time, you become very attached to them, and have an almost unbreakable bond. A bond commonly known as love. Harry and Hermione have been around eachother a lot and will do anything for eachother (yes anything). This is love, and even if we see it, they don't yet (at least harry), because he is young.

As he gets older, he'll realize

Great post Caina
aybuke
QUOTE(Precision @ Jul 6 2005, 12:42 AM)
One word...Perfect.

It is true.  This is a fact of life.  Your parents/brothers/sisters won't be around forever, and you won't around with them forever.  When your with someone for a long time, you become very attached to them, and have an almost unbreakable bond.  A bond commonly known as love.  Harry and Hermione have been around eachother a lot and will do anything for eachother (yes anything).  This is love, and even if we see it, they don't yet (at least harry), because he is young.

As he gets older, he'll realize

Great post Caina
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And you can't end up having children and sharing a life with the person who you always bicker and the one only remebers you when you have a pen-pal?

That's why I believe R/Hr won't work. Theirs is just a childish crush. By the time Sirius dies, Hermione is the most precious person in Harry's life who understands and appreciates him. Ron? No. He has to deal with his jealousy before this.

I remember a line from Bible that I listened in the movie called "A walk to remember". I'm a Muslim, so I don't have a Bible. Can someone find it? It was telling that "love wasn't jealous, boastful etc."
caina
QUOTE(aybuke @ Jul 6 2005, 07:42 PM)
I remember a line from Bible that I listened in the movie called "A walk to remember". I'm a Muslim, so I don't have a Bible. Can someone find it? It was telling that "love wasn't jealous, boastful etc."
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Yes, that comes from the book of 1 Corinthians, chapter 13.

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If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, [1] but have not love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.


I don't think that type of love applies to Ron and Hermione. I think it applies more to Harry and Hermione. I think that makes for a beautiful poem.

Caina.
DobbyTheHouseElf
Wow! Thanks for providing the 'love' quote. It's a gorgeous passage and I've always found it inspiring, but reading it from a 'Harry and Hermione' standpoint it just gave me chills!
ladylaughalot
I've always thought that H/Hr shippers are the kind of people who can always guess the murder before the final scene in a murder/mystery. I think we just have a better idea of how it's going to end than R/Hr shippers. What is this power Harry has that will enable him to defeat Voldemort if it's not love? Dumbeldore practically spelt it out at the end of the last book.

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In the end, it mattered not that you could not close your mind. It was your heart that saved you.


Love was, is and always will be central to the plot of Harry Potter. In the end it will be his heart that saves him.
mmobeen
Hi All,

I would like to mentione something.

James, Lilly and Sirius. All three of them are dead. Now you cannot defeat or fight against an evil person like voldemort by using love for dead. They are not coming back. Dumbledore said harry possess love and thats why voldemort could not bear to stay in his body and posses him.

Who is the single most person if taken out will shake and probably shatter harry's life. It is Hermione. Even he does not have feelings for her. We know she is the force which keeps Harry grounded and keeps him sane and rational. If Hermione is taken out of the equation. How is harry going to survive, he can not. This is why i think the final straw that will make harry want to defeat voldemort is if voldemort tries to harm hermione. Hermione is the single most person important person in life and as the series progresses, i am sure that JKR will hint that Hermione is the only person left who is important and cares for him in harry's life.

Thanks
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