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Full Version: Lily a Death Eater? descendant of Slytherin?!?
I don;t think Lily was Slytherin, didn't JKR say that lily was in Gryfindor? I might have imagined that! As for the connection with the Parseltongue, Dumbledore told harry that Voldermort was the last desendant of Salazar Slytherin. See Chamber of Secrets, page 245 the quote is near the top
"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry" said Dumbledore calmy, "because Lord Voldermort - who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue"...........etc.....etc.
I find it unlikly that Lily is a descendant of Salazar, a possibility, but unlikely
"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry" said Dumbledore calmy, "because Lord Voldermort - who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin - can speak Parseltongue"...........etc.....etc.
I find it unlikly that Lily is a descendant of Salazar, a possibility, but unlikely
It has been stated and re-instated that Lily was a muggleborn prefect of Gryffindor by JKR, the theory of Lily being is in Slytherin is, I'm sorry to say, off-based, as she was a muggleborn, she would have almost no chance of being there and from what can already be deduced of Lily's character is that she is a very Gryffindor girl with all the qualities that they treasure--loyalty, bravery, kindness, and several others.
Who said that anyone with green eyes had to be in Slytherin or a descendent of Slytherin? Also just to point out, I seriously doubt she has any Slytherin blood in her because she comes from an all-muggle family, I don't think relatives of Salazar Slytherin would have inter-mingled with muggles much.
As for James, he very well could be a perfectly normal wizard who happened to have had a very rich family, no one knows for sure of his bloodlines quite yet, but no solid evidence points to his ancestry being of Godric Gryffindor, and Harry pulling the sword out of the hat, was simply because of Harry being a "true Gryffindor" is what Dumbledore said, I think if anything of Harry's descent was extremely important it would have been revealed by now. In the prophecy, it only mentions the time of his birth being important, not his bloodline, don't you think JKR would have mentioned something like "the two heirs of opposing houses" or such such if this had been the case?
As Claire_Lily said, Harry speaks Parseltongue because of Voldemort. It mentions in the second book, I believe, it could have been another, Dumbledore's theory that part of Voldemort was transfered to Harry that night he recieved the scar.
Also, if your still interested in Harry's eyes, I do believe a thread about them is lurking somewhere in the 5th book discussion or General HP Discussion, but the L/J forum really isn't the place to discuss Harry.
A few more things before I close my mouth and let this rest:
--the term mudblood, as you are refering to Lily as, is meant to be just as offensive to a muggleborn as saying to someone blatantly that they should get lost because of who their parents were, it is much like a racist comment and I think it would be more correct to refer to Lily as a muggle-born.
--next time you try to type a theory such as this one, do try to find canon evidence and use spell check, I noticed several times your misspellings of easy words such as 'Slytherin' and 'Gryffindor' in just that small little paragraph.
Now then as for your question, what else would a muggleborn be, born of the 'dirty blood', to some wizards, but a 'mudblood'? I suggest re-phrasing this question if you that wasn't the answer you're looking for.
peace out, Julie
Who said that anyone with green eyes had to be in Slytherin or a descendent of Slytherin? Also just to point out, I seriously doubt she has any Slytherin blood in her because she comes from an all-muggle family, I don't think relatives of Salazar Slytherin would have inter-mingled with muggles much.
As for James, he very well could be a perfectly normal wizard who happened to have had a very rich family, no one knows for sure of his bloodlines quite yet, but no solid evidence points to his ancestry being of Godric Gryffindor, and Harry pulling the sword out of the hat, was simply because of Harry being a "true Gryffindor" is what Dumbledore said, I think if anything of Harry's descent was extremely important it would have been revealed by now. In the prophecy, it only mentions the time of his birth being important, not his bloodline, don't you think JKR would have mentioned something like "the two heirs of opposing houses" or such such if this had been the case?
As Claire_Lily said, Harry speaks Parseltongue because of Voldemort. It mentions in the second book, I believe, it could have been another, Dumbledore's theory that part of Voldemort was transfered to Harry that night he recieved the scar.
Also, if your still interested in Harry's eyes, I do believe a thread about them is lurking somewhere in the 5th book discussion or General HP Discussion, but the L/J forum really isn't the place to discuss Harry.
A few more things before I close my mouth and let this rest:
--the term mudblood, as you are refering to Lily as, is meant to be just as offensive to a muggleborn as saying to someone blatantly that they should get lost because of who their parents were, it is much like a racist comment and I think it would be more correct to refer to Lily as a muggle-born.
--next time you try to type a theory such as this one, do try to find canon evidence and use spell check, I noticed several times your misspellings of easy words such as 'Slytherin' and 'Gryffindor' in just that small little paragraph.
Now then as for your question, what else would a muggleborn be, born of the 'dirty blood', to some wizards, but a 'mudblood'? I suggest re-phrasing this question if you that wasn't the answer you're looking for.
peace out, Julie
yes, i do agree. but waht if she is MAGICAL? and petunia...well, a squib? coz, harry's awfully very strong to be half blood, right?
As far as the Muggleborn question, I see it a bit like this... magic is kind of like the Force in Star Wars. Everyone has a connection with it, but only some - Jedi/wizards - have a strong enough connection that they can actually use it to do things.
In Harry Potter, magical ability seems to be primarily genetic - the offspring of witches and wizards are, with just a few exceptions, witches and wizards too. Therefore, my guess is that Muggle-born witches and wizards are produced by two Muggle parents who have more magical attunement than the average (though, again, still not enough to use it). Petunia, coming from Muggle parents, should not be termed a Squib. She simply didn't get the roll of the genetic dice that meant greater magical ability than her parents had.
In Harry Potter, magical ability seems to be primarily genetic - the offspring of witches and wizards are, with just a few exceptions, witches and wizards too. Therefore, my guess is that Muggle-born witches and wizards are produced by two Muggle parents who have more magical attunement than the average (though, again, still not enough to use it). Petunia, coming from Muggle parents, should not be termed a Squib. She simply didn't get the roll of the genetic dice that meant greater magical ability than her parents had.
Voldemort thinks, and is probably right, that halfbloods may pose a bigger threat to him than purebloods, that's why he went after Harry, a halfblood like himself, instead of after Neville, a pureblood. It's possible that the combination between a pureblood and a muggle makes way for a more powerful wizard.
I really doubt Harry would be a descendant of Gryffindor because it would really go against the its-not-blood-thats-important-its-the-choices-we-make thing.
I really doubt Harry would be a descendant of Gryffindor because it would really go against the its-not-blood-thats-important-its-the-choices-we-make thing.
Although this is sort of off topic of what is being talked about now, i just found this sight and would like to comment on one reply in particular. it was made by thereader and is the last post on the first page. please don't stone me if you disagree with my theory or if it's wrong, just kindly tell me if you like. (I have never used the "quote" button before but I think I can figure it out, just in case the quotes will be italicized). .
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| Let's talk about Seamus, Tom and Harry first: 1) Both Tom Riddle and Seamus Finnigan are Half-bloods because their fathers are MUGGLES and their mothers are WITCHES (okay, in Tom's case, were). 2) Harry's father is probably from an old pureblood family, but we KNOW FOR CERTAIN thatLily IS a Mudblood - that's a witch with Muggle Parents but Lily IS a witch (Muggle born, but she is a witch, nonetheless). So how can one classify Harry in the same league as one classifies Seamus and Tom - ONE of their respective parents IS A MUGGLE and the OTHER one IS A WITCH, so it's a half-and-half situation; thus, they're half-bloods. Whereas, BOTH Harry's parents are Wizards (Lily MAY be Muggle born, but she IS a witch) - yet, Harry's still classified as a half-blood - shouldn't he be a classified as three-quarter-blood or something? |
What we have to remember here is that matters like blood are only kept track of by people such as the Malfoys, and it is less a matter of actual blood than it is of reputation. According to this not so elite group of snobs, muggle borns are filth and barely better than a common muggle. When figuring out blood you sort have to (in my opinion) disregard wether or not the person in question is magical and only worry about their ancestors. Now Lily is a witch, but before her are generations of muggles that contaminated the blood line, passing it on to her. Therefore she is called a (pardon my use of this grotesque word) mudblood, meaning she has dirty (100%
muggle) blood, even though she is a wizard she is (according to the Malfoys, whom I will use to symbolize all such snobs) “a disgrace to wizard kind and shouldn’t be allowed in schools with our children” and one witch in the family wouldn’t be able to fix generations of disgraceful muggles. Plus being magical can’t change your blood. So if you’re with me so far, Lily has pure muggle blood in her, for the intents and purposes of this discussion. Now you get half of your “blood” from each parent, and 100% wizard blood from James and 100% muggle blood from Lily equals 50% from both (if you get what I mean). Also, even if he is actually is a 3/4 blood (which he isn’t, but just for the sake of this discussion we’ll pretend), He’s not going to get any
more credit than if he was a half blood, and blood doesn’t matter, so why say he’s three-quarters blood when it’s just easier to say half blood, especially since they mean pretty much the same thing.
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| Now let's examine how the status thing applies to Squibs and Muggles: A Muggle is someone with no-magical powers who is born to other muggles. A Squib is someone with no-magical powers who is born to parents who are wizards (or whose 1parent is at least a Wizard?). |
I may be mistaken, but I think you have this wrong. I believe a squib has to be someone who has 2 magical parents. If they have one of each, they would have a 50/50 chance either way and would just be called muggles (I think).
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| Ever wonder what would happen if 2 squibs got married and produced a mon-magical person? Would this non-magical person be a Squib or would he or she be a Muggle? (after all, his or her parents aren't Wizards). |
In my opinion (this is JKR’s universe so I’m not going to say this is for sure because am not an expert) they would be considered just muggles because their parents were a form of muggle (they were not magical). and as a Malfoy would say, no amount of wizard blood could change the fact that they are muggle trash.
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| Even more interesting; how does one classify a Magical child born of parents who are Squibs? Is he or she a Mudblood? What if the magical child's 4 grand-parents were purebloods - how does that particular classification go, then? |
If we stayed with the formula, technically the squibs would have 100% wizard blood in them. When passed down, the child would tecnically be pureblood. But a Malfoy type person would not give said child the honor of such a title because of their disgraceful parents.
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| It would thus seem that this whole classification thing's a mess! |
That’s because you are trying to use logic to explain snobbery (I think that’s a word but I’m not sure.) Anyway, I hope this helped
Hey scifisam
First off I want to clear up the muggle born and half blood thing. From what I can gather (and it mightn't be right) these two things are different. A muggle born is someone who is a wizard/witch but both parents are muggles. A halfblood is someone who is magical and one parent is muggle born and one parent is magical.
For q squib yeah both parents have to be magical because a squib is someone who belongs to a wizarding family but isn't magical.
Gems
First off I want to clear up the muggle born and half blood thing. From what I can gather (and it mightn't be right) these two things are different. A muggle born is someone who is a wizard/witch but both parents are muggles. A halfblood is someone who is magical and one parent is muggle born and one parent is magical.
For q squib yeah both parents have to be magical because a squib is someone who belongs to a wizarding family but isn't magical.
Gems
I agree with you Gemma. Thats pretty much what I was trying to say, if I said it wrong please tell me.
People, how can you THINK this? I mean, Lily is the good girl, Harry's mum, in love with James Potter who hated the Dark Arts........ DUH!
If you think Lily was in leauge with Voldemort, good for you, but look at the facts, she defied Voldemort THREE times, she sacrificed her life so he wouldn't kill her son, and so on.
All I'm saying is that if you're a canon-follower, than it's virtually impossible for Lily to have been a Death Eater. Come on, can you see a muggle-born being accepted by a band of dudes who go on muggle killing rampages? I don't think so!
Trademark ninja
If you think Lily was in leauge with Voldemort, good for you, but look at the facts, she defied Voldemort THREE times, she sacrificed her life so he wouldn't kill her son, and so on.
All I'm saying is that if you're a canon-follower, than it's virtually impossible for Lily to have been a Death Eater. Come on, can you see a muggle-born being accepted by a band of dudes who go on muggle killing rampages? I don't think so!
Trademark ninja
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